Question about the pending government shutdown

[cntryboy0531]

Consider the teaching of evolution in public schools. It is constitutional and contrary to religions teachings, while the teaching of creationism is unconstitutional because it is specific to religious doctrine.
Abortion is no different, it does not endorse any religious denomination and should be considered constitutional. Ruling that providing money to an organisation that advocates it as an option is unconstitutional based on religious controversy would be a recognition of a particular religion and contrary to the constitution.

*There was a long version of this post, with a bunch of case law and other boring things, but my computer failed, so you get the short version.

I don't think abortion should be made unconstituional due to religious reasons. I think it should just be outlawed because the child should have a right to live. It's murder IMO. I think in cases of rape or incest I could somewhat justify a very early term abortion. But mid or late term, no way. Have the kid then allow someone to adopt. Of course abortions due to moms health complications are on the table. But "I don't want the kid so I'm going to kill it" is a crock of sh1t.

[Joeyd6]

Abortion is no different, it does not endorse any religious denomination and should be considered constitutional.

Your argument is about as strong as using dental floss as a tight rope for an elephant.

Intentionally stopping a human heart from beating is called murder. By your arguement, you want murder to be a legal right of the Constitution. If you want abortion a Constitutional right, you need to be OK with everyone killing everyone without consequence. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

And the majority of PP's work is in low income areas and by their own infomration, their "services" are a result of not using birth control. Areas where folks depend on pubilc assistance as a lifestyle, rather than trying to better themself. Areas where people make a conscious decision to enjoy themselves and let the government fix their mistakes. Next time, don't open your legs and if you do, practice safe sex. Then we would not have much to talk about.

[retdetsgt]

Intentionally stopping a human heart from beating is called murder. By your arguement, you want murder to be a legal right of the Constitution. If you want abortion a Constitutional right, you need to be OK with everyone killing everyone without consequence.

No, it's called homicide. Murder by definition is always illegal, not so with homicide. And the SCOUS has already said abortion is not murder and is constitutional in Roe v. Wade.

I don't like abortion either and would like to see it go away for the most part, but like it or not, it's the law of the land so far.

[sparrow803]

Your argument is about as strong as using dental floss as a tight rope for an elephant.

Intentionally stopping a human heart from beating is called murder. By your arguement, you want murder to be a legal right of the Constitution. If you want abortion a Constitutional right, you need to be OK with everyone killing everyone without consequence. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

And the majority of PP's work is in low income areas and by their own infomration, their "services" are a result of not using birth control. Areas where folks depend on pubilc assistance as a lifestyle, rather than trying to better themself. Areas where people make a conscious decision to enjoy themselves and let the government fix their mistakes. Next time, don't open your legs and if you do, practice safe sex. Then we would not have much to talk about.

Damm Straight! ---- the key phrase is "Planned Parenthood" - Plan on having sex...plan on birth control or plan on the consequences - the latter should NOT be at my expense, or a defenseless child.

[Joeyd6]

No, it's called homicide. Murder by definition is always illegal, not so with homicide. And the SCOUS has already said abortion is not murder and is constitutional in Roe v. Wade.

I don't like abortion either and would like to see it go away for the most part, but like it or not, it's the law of the land so far.

Cat...you are are right! Thank you for pointing that out. I should have re-read it before I hit submit.

While pro-life on my end, I can't say I am 100% anti-abotion. It has its need and uses. I just don't thinkit shoud lbe used as birth control after teh sex. when a decision was made not to use it during the sex.

[retdetsgt]

Can you imagine the scream from the left if the feds gave money to the NRA to provide gun safety programs? I just don't believe we can afford to finance every private sector service be it Planned Parenthood or Habitat For Humanity. Given my druthers, I'd rather see the money go to Habitat. In order to get a house, you not only have to show some responsibility, you have to put in so many hours of work on the house yourself.

If the left is so into those kinds of clinics, let them donate charitable dollars to it.

Another consequence of Roe v. Wade is that the fetus isn't considered a human until birth. Mothers are continually using drugs and drinking alcohol during pregnancy and delivering children who are permanently damaged. It would be nice to be able convict them for child abuse, but Roe v. Wade prevents it.

[SANE-A30]

Your argument is about as strong as using dental floss as a tight rope for an elephant.

Intentionally stopping a human heart from beating is called murder. By your arguement, you want murder to be a legal right of the Constitution. If you want abortion a Constitutional right, you need to be OK with everyone killing everyone without consequence. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

And the majority of PP's work is in low income areas and by their own infomration, their "services" are a result of not using birth control. Areas where folks depend on pubilc assistance as a lifestyle, rather than trying to better themself. Areas where people make a conscious decision to enjoy themselves and let the government fix their mistakes. Next time, don't open your legs and if you do, practice safe sex. Then we would not have much to talk about.

my thoughts as well....I think the idea of abortion has been greatly abused I don't think it's orginal purpose was intended for what it is being used for but I could sadly be wrong, I think if the baby is going to be deformed not expected to live then it should be allowed..in these cases the state should pay if the parents cannot .... but not the other cases using it as a just b/c I can get out of the responsibility...of being dumb. when I was pregnant with my son I was advised to abort on three occasions by a high risk doctor and all three times I obviously refused.... when my son was born at 6 months due to complications we was placed in the NICU right beside someone that CHOSE to perform a self abortion.... the baby lived all messed up and she did'nt get charged with anything how is that constitutional?

I agree with you too RET it should be considered child abuse

[MikeG]

Can you imagine the scream from the left if the feds gave money to the NRA to provide gun safety programs? I just don't believe we can afford to finance every private sector service be it Planned Parenthood or Habitat For Humanity. Given my druthers, I'd rather see the money go to Habitat. In order to get a house, you not only have to show some responsibility, you have to put in so many hours of work on the house yourself.

If the left is so into those kinds of clinics, let them donate charitable dollars to it.

I think the left has systematically removed the NRA from anything related to government, let alone funding. The NRA use to have a lot of in school programs including shooting ranges in schools.

As for abortion, the so-called "right" is the mother can choose to not be pregnant. That is not necessarily the right to kill the baby. My personal belief is that abortion should not be allowed before it's a stress on the woman (i.e imposes an burden to her health) and should always give the baby a chance at life. It's the same obligation that every person in society has. People are obligated to render the minimum amount of aid even if it imposes a small burden. Procedures like partial-birth abortion that exist to circumvent the obligation on the physician to render aid to a viable fetus should be outlawed.

The nice part is that the overwhelming majority of ob-gyn providers have a moral mindset regarding abortions and it truly is only a "planned parenthood" and other shady operator problem. When a hospital ob-gyn performs an abortion it's almost always a legitimate life of the mother issue and they do their best to save the baby if possible.

And the Philly Dr. showed that "back alley" abortions are no worse than what is available in legal clinics.