so sad... and why I HATE guns!!!

[SANE-A30]

That damn gun just up and went and made that boy do that.



Sorry, knee jerk reactions piss me off.

lol what I should of said I hate guns that are unattended and cause bad accidents... anyhoo back to the real question do you think this guy should loose his kids over this?

I think one of the articles said the older child was in protective services custody

[seeking]

A gun doesn't do a thing without someone manipulating it. It's just like a car. It's a piece of metal and plastic (nowadays) that, barring a catastrophic mechanical failure, will stay in the same condition it was left in. I can put a gun on a table, and if nobody touches it, it will most likely still be there when every one of us is dead. Same as a car. I can park a car in my driveway and, barring a catastrophic brake and transmission failure, it will still be sitting there long after Im dead.

And if you don't like guns, you're on the wrong website.

Exactly. No reason to blame the gun for something the kid did and what the father failed to do in either locking up the gun or properly educating the child on not touching it.

[MikeG]

Over a single incident with no other issues? Probably shouldn't lose his kids. Think of it this way: if the kid had found matches or a lighter and burned the house down after playing with them in his bedroom, should they lose their kids just over that?

I would want to see the totality. If the gun was just one of many problems and it was the culmination of those that led to the shooting,then yes take them. Same for the lighter. Lighter found because mom is a crack addict is a different story than kid that steals cigarrete smokers lighter.

Theres carelessness , recklessness and negligence. All have a different standard/ threshold. Each is deserving of certain sanctions and or punishments but in each case ALL the merits of the situation must be applied before passing final judgment.

You police guys with that legal talk. That's what I was searching for with analogy but couldn't articulate the legaleze. didn't even dawn on me that I was searching for it until you said it.

[dadyswat]

lol what I should of said I hate guns that are unattended and cause bad accidents... anyhoo back to the real question do you think this guy should loose his kids over this?

I think one of the articles said the older child was in protective services custody

What did the gun do to cause it?

[pac201]

What did the gun do to cause it?

I thought the same thing, maybe she meant that she hates the idea of people that leave guns laying around that results in accidents...
Or maybe she just hates guns...

[MikeG]

Here's an update on another case.
Officer charged in son's fatal shooting with service weapon

This one gives me chills and is very tragic. Kid used a chair to access the shelf in bedroom closet.

[SANE-A30]

I thought the same thing, maybe she meant that she hates the idea of people that leave guns laying around that results in accidents...
Or maybe she just hates guns...

The idea of people leaving them lying around off safety or just leaving them out lying around.... Thanks for clarifying that pac I've been getting a beaten for that comment :P everyone knows a gun can't shoot itself duh!

[SANE-A30]

Here's an update on another case.
Officer charged in son's fatal shooting with service weapon

This one gives me chills and is very tragic. Kid used a chair to access the shelf in bedroom closet.

See with that i really don't agree with the charges is'nt bad enough he just lost his kid now he lost his life his career, he had in a closet not laying on a counter. like the last case it was just laying on a table atleast he ATTEMPTED to put it where it would'nt be reached...very sad

[JoetheGI]

Guns just scare me and I know they have to be respected and not just thrown down but that still does'nt change my fear of them they give me anxiety...

Life is too short to be afraid of inanimate objects.

Perhaps it would be wiser to face your fear and overcome the irrational anxiety you feel towards a simple tool? I believe you can achieve this through training and experience, that you obviously have not had the opportunity of obtaining. Firearms, like cars, knives, and EVERY other tool, are as safe as WE make them, and to fear them is just plain silly.

Look into some NRA classes, or check out some USPSA or IDPA clubs in your area. A very popular venue for many is the SASS community, which competes with "old west" types of firearms, is very family friendly, and who's members dress up in "old west" clothing. As a young lad, I would have LOVED that "old west" stuff.

Humans probably initially feared fire, however, they evolved and learned it could be as much of an asset as it could be a threat.

Evolve. Conquer your fear.

[SANE-A30]

Life is too short to be afraid of inanimate objects.

Perhaps it would be wiser to face your fear and overcome the irrational anxiety you feel towards a simple tool? I believe you can achieve this through training and experience, that you obviously have not had the opportunity of obtaining. Firearms, like cars, knives, and EVERY other tool, are as safe as WE make them, and to fear them is just plain silly.

Look into some NRA classes, or check out some USPSA or IDPA clubs in your area. A very popular venue for many is the SASS community, which competes with "old west" types of firearms, is very family friendly, and who's members dress up in "old west" clothing. As a young lad, I would have LOVED that "old west" stuff.

Humans probably initially feared fire, however, they evolved and learned it could be as much of an asset as it could be a threat.

Evolve. Conquer your fear.

VERY VERY good point! I am not afraid of the gun itself persay but more so of the damage it can cause if used on a person ( taking care of MANY failed suicide cases) taking care of the aftermath ( the wounds, missing faces , eye sockets, mouth etc....) I think has increased this fear if that makes sense...it is a image as well as many of you know you never forget.

my * true* fears are heights and closed in places... I would NEVER jump off a building or allow myself to be locked in a closet, I would shoot a gun.

[MikeG]

VERY VERY good point! I am not afraid of the gun itself persay but more so of the damage it can cause if used on a person ( taking care of MANY failed suicide cases) taking care of the aftermath ( the wounds, missing faces , eye sockets, mouth etc....) I think has increased this fear if that makes sense...it is a image as well as many of you know you never forget.

my * true* fears are heights and closed in places... I would NEVER jump off a building or allow myself to be locked in a closet, I would shoot a gun.

Is it fear of heights or fear of the edges? I hate being near the edge of a roof or ledges. Don't want to be anywhere near it. But I don't mind being in airplanes or actually on the roof or ladders. I don't have any problem with guns.

If you do go shooting and have never been, you are going to jump at every shot initially. That will go away with time so don't mistake the jumpiness with a in built anxiety.

[SANE-A30]

Is it fear of heights or fear of the edges? I hate being near the edge of a roof or ledges. Don't want to be anywhere near it. But I don't mind being in airplanes or actually on the roof or ladders. I don't have any problem with guns.

If you do go shooting and have never been, you are going to jump at every shot initially. That will go away with time so don't mistake the jumpiness with a in built anxiety.

Ummm not sure...... if I climb a ladder I get physically sick I start shaking etc... I hate the " out of control"
feeling....but I have hiked up a mountain and peered over the edge? and found it to be fascinating...weird I know.
i am nowhere near as bad as i used to be with the height thing, the closed in places that's differant though... I hate it.I can't even sleep with my head under the covers..... nor do I want to be buried under the ground when I die.