Conservatives in Iran...

[ngcsubutterbar]

fanatic sure, fundelmentalist, hell no, I'm sure capola can attest to the fact that islam, is at heart a peaceful religion.


I also witnessed a speech, informative, entirely non ug forgot the word, wasn't trying to impress on people to convert, about the specific steps in their prayers. Much of it is customs/doctrine, just as its custom/doctrine in what Catholics do when they pray. Its just a different system. Islam just has a certain custom in what dress to wear while they pray. that movie they did about terror cells in NYC did a good job in this technical sense, when the 'good' guys were finally confronted with the true terror leader, performing a ritualistic cleansing bath. Catholics do that to, with holy water. just a different method.

[Zendik]

I think it's BS for them to disqualifying thousands of reformist candidates and it seem typical for conservatives to do such a thing and if it could be done here it would be. I have seen what conservatives do to liberal thinkers.
I posted this to show that conservative thinking at the extreme can be very dangerous to a democracy.
I also agree Iran could be worse than Iraq, heck North Korea IS but we don't see the attention given to them now don't we.
This is just my opinion and I'm sure it's far from being absolute truth....

[Zendik]

Long story, but he's got a pass and he's a good egg.

Well thanks DC!! I would be looking forward to having a beer with you sometime during Mardi Gras.....
For some ungodly reason I see you as a Father figure... !!

[Norm357]

For some ungodly reason I see you as a Father figure... !!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH excuse me I need air HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D

[CA Fuzz]

Actually it was Colonialist controls that messed things up to start with. I will continue with this tomorrow, as I am tired. Days are tough. I like Swings and Mids better.

Ngc hit it right on the money; fanatical people who happened to be Muslim destroyed the WTC and Pentagon. A true fundamentalist adheres to the message of peace described in the Koran.

I practice the Islamic religion, but I do not claim to be an expert and don't speak the language to any great extent. I was born here in the United States.

Capola was my TO 15 years ago. He always had his sayings. Quite the character.

[ngcsubutterbar]

Islam is an offshoot of christianity, just as christianity is an offshoot of Judiac faiths, that cycle continues into the whole bases for a CRJU system to begin with and it started in Iraq of all places, long long long ago. Their respective prophets thought what the established religion was teachiung was ok, just a 'little off', so they established their own beliefs which just happened to turn into faiths that have survived and thrived.


bah thats a different issue though, completly factual, and completly covered in a thourough history of CRJU.

[CA Fuzz]

Actually all three religions are very close to one another. Take an ancient history class (if you are bored and need a few extra credits), you will learn quite a bit about the birth of all three beliefs. It is surprising that the three beliefs clash today as they essentially all believe in one god.

DC: Converting to Christianity is not the answer to fundamentalists. Fundamentalists are fundamentalists for a reason. If you meant to say conversion to Christianity for extremists Muslims, you would merely create another Christian extremist.

As far as the dress in the Middle East, make no doubt about it. Women are still pretty much in charge of the house. They always have been. I love the US, as all of my Arab friends do. However, we are in the minority within this great world of ours where everyone over the age of 18 can vote. Not many countries have this privilege.

Good day mates.

[Zendik]

Now if we want to get into religion....
I believe exclusivly in the Urantia Book..
http://www.urantia.org/

[cecilVA]

Just wanted to pipe in real quick that I agree with DC that lumping conservatives into the same category world wide is an unfair comparison. Especially comparing Iranian conservatives with US conservatives. Same for comparing liberals. And here is a good example why. Typically, conservatives are for limited government (don't start giving examples of GWB because I'll retort with Ronald Reagan) and liberals are for more government. Not saying either is wrong but generally that is the difference. Now the conservatives in Iran want a restrictive government in order to control the people. Through the media, laws, police, religion etc. The liberals want limited government, including voting, reforms, etc. However far-left/far-right thinking anywhere is always unhealthy in my opinion because you lose the ability to compromise.

Iranians still have a sour taste in their mouth from US and British meddling back in the day which is precisely why you don't see the US overtly supporting the reformists. That kind of support would be resented.

[CA Fuzz]

I do have a question though. If Conservatives are for less government, and Liberals are more government, and assuming that Bush is Conservative, and Clinton is a liberal, then how come the actual size of the federal government is larger under Bush than Clinton?

I do agree with DC that it is difficult to compare the Conservatism of the United States with that in Iran. When referring to Conservatives in Iran, you are usually referring to the fundamentalists. While some Conservatives in the US are fundamentalist Christians, it is usually not the case.

I still have to complete my debate with DC over the current state of the Iranian government and how it got that way. I am doing a bit of research because it is apparent that DC is no slacker when it comes to having at least informed opinions. (And no DC, I am not kissing up to you)

[cecilVA]

I do have a question though. If Conservatives are for less government, and Liberals are more government, and assuming that Bush is Conservative, and Clinton is a liberal, then how come the actual size of the federal government is larger under Bush than Clinton?

I do agree with DC that it is difficult to compare the Conservatism of the United States with that in Iran. When referring to Conservatives in Iran, you are usually referring to the fundamentalists. While some Conservatives in the US are fundamentalist Christians, it is usually not the case.

I still have to complete my debate with DC over the current state of the Iranian government and how it got that way. I am doing a bit of research because it is apparent that DC is no slacker when it comes to having at least informed opinions. (And no DC, I am not kissing up to you)

Ha ha, which is exactly why I said GWB kinda messes with my explanation. Which is why I said "generally" speaking. GWB isn't the end all be all of conservative thought just as Bill Clinton isn't for liberals. Even some liberals think Bill isn't liberal enough. But I did just read an article that discusses this topic.

[CA Fuzz]

I thought that Bill Clinton was a middle of the roader. He was definitely not the "liberal" as you would describe Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or even the Kennedy's. Pres. Clinton even championed many of the Conservative-sponsored bills including NAFTA and welfare reforms. Hardly an act of a die hard Liberal.

On the other hand, although Pres. Bush is a Conservative, he is not the die-hard right-winger such as Buchanan or Robertson. Even Reagan wasn't as right winged as these gentlemen.

[cecilVA]

I thought that Bill Clinton was a middle of the roader. He was definitely not the "liberal" as you would describe Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or even the Kennedy's. Pres. Clinton even championed many of the Conservative-sponsored bills including NAFTA and welfare reforms. Hardly an act of a die hard Liberal.

On the other hand, although Pres. Bush is a Conservative, he is not the die-hard right-winger such as Buchanan or Robertson. Even Reagan wasn't as right winged as these gentlemen.

Absolutely right, which is why the far left/far right people will never be elected president. To get elected you have to appeal to the middle of the roaders and the moderates on both sides. A Buchanan or Sharpton only appeals to a part of society. I would argue that is part of the problem with Howard Dean. Moderates on both sides don't really like him....

[CA Fuzz]

Old Howie is history. Even if he wasn't a far left Liberal, his temper got him into trouble. While many leaders and ex-Presidents are hot headed, they always have to remain aware that the press is watching their every move. Self-control is the name of the game. If anything Bush has shown (although I am not a staunch supporter of Bush), I think he has maintained great self-control and anger management throughout this Presidency. This is important for a leader as it shows that the person can accept criticism and maintain dignity and most of all act mature. This is also how you separate the good cops from the not-so-good. Being able to remain in control and not go off on people that are frankly assholes is tough. However, if you do show command presence and command authority you can accomplish your goals and not look like an *** or appear to take it personal.