Have you ever considered?

[Zendik]

Your accusations were completely unfounded, highly rude and potentially very damaging to a LEO like myself.

I agree and I do feel like an *** for saying that, again I am truly sorry.

I cannot stop ANYONE from filing an official complaint or someone who wishes to make a "notification" to my superiors about me. You are FREE to do this.

This is all a Internet discussion there is nothing anyone here could do to bring me to do such a thing.

You have NO idea how this can cause anguish and frustration over simply being ACCUSED.

I do know what it's like to be FALSELY ACCUSED and raked over the coals for nothing.
I'm not going to sit here and defend myself over stuff that I did however I will not own what I did not. No we didn't bumb into eachother in the grocery store we are on the internet for crying out loud.
I apologized twice and I'll do it again, this event happen quite a while ago and aparently you have read my first apology but choose to confront me again which could have been done through PM or e-mail if it's been such an issue with you, I have to ask why bring this up here and now and not through PM?
Either way I take responsibility for what I did say and I do feel like an ******* but I said sorry enough.
You owe me nothing, Mcsap but if you let me learn from this I will be a better person in the end.

[mcsap]

Did you PM me when you made all of your accusations ?

You chose to accuse me of unprofessional if not criminal conduct in public.

When I called you to follow up on your threat to contact my superiors advising that you would have to use your name in such a complaint, you BACKED OFF.

I owe you NO courtesy of a PM.

If you don't like seeing your FALSE accusations about me made public than place me on ignore.

[Zendik]

Did you PM me when you made all of your accusations ?

No Mcsap, I did'nt. And I am sorry I didn't. I really am.

You chose to accuse me of unprofessional if not criminal conduct in public.

I wasn't aware any of that was criminal and when you called me on it I apologized.

When I called you to follow up on your threat to contact my superiors advising that you would have to use your name in such a complaint, you BACKED OFF.

What did you want me to do? Make a false report? I don't even remember saying this to be honest and again I am sorry.

I owe you NO courtesy of a PM.

Very true.

If you don't like seeing your FALSE accusations about me made public than place me on ignore.

It's all good, Mcsap, as long as you don't mind hearing me apologize I don't mind doing it. I feel it will never be enough. What if anything do you suggest? Do you want me to leave? Say the word and I'll clear out my account.

[kenny J]

Let's stay on the TREADS TOPIC:

Furthermore, especially for companies like mine, and perhaps yours, finite, exhaustible, non-renewable resources such as natural gas, coal, oil -- earth's natural capital -- are being gobbled up and used for energy and in the process converted to carbon dioxide to exacerbate the greenhouse effect. And the beat goes on. It is the crisis of our times and perhaps of all times to come. It is a funeral march to the grave if we don't figure out and do what is necessary to reverse that deadly trend.

Truly, we have done a lot of damage, in a very short time, very quickly. Now, what do I mean, quickly? Let me try to put that in a certain perspective. Suppose we represent the history of the earth, 4.5 billion years since the creation of the world out of the solar nebula, right up to today with a timeline a mile long. For the first 240 yards there is no life. This place is getting geologically organized. And life began with that first, microscopic, anaerobic bacterium somewhere in the primordial oceans -- and survives and life lifts itself by its very bootstraps and proliferates into mind bending diversity as each species through its metabolic process, aided by sedimentation and sequestration, prepares the way for the next species and the next, gradually sweetening the earth, removing the toxic hostility of that early earth's atmosphere and sending down into the earth's crust to allow a biosphere to evolve on the surface. Increasing diversity, decreasing toxicity, a sweeter and sweeter earth, an evolving biosphere -- a mutually reinforcing process finally producing a biosphere sweet enough that we could evolve into and survive.

Do you know where in the mile-long time line we appear, Homo sapiens? At the last seven tenths of an inch in this mile-long timeline Homo sapiens emerges to rule the earth and eventually to create the industrial age. You know how much of the mile long timeline is occupied by the industrial age? The last 3/ 1,000th of an inch -- the thickness of a human hair.
At least six times in the history of earth that mutually reinforcing process has been reversed and toxicity increases and biodiversity plummets. We don't really know much about the earliest of those events but when we examine the last hundred yards of that timeline we can see three of those reversals. About 260 million years ago something cataclysmic happened, toxicity spiked and 96% of all life on earth vanished into extinction. The greatest mass extinction in earth's history. But life picked itself up and the process resumed until 65 million years ago when a comet or asteroid struck the earth in the region around Yucatan and that toxic hostility exploded forth again to encircle the planet and 75% of life on earth vanished, including the mighty dinosaurs. They had been here 187 million years and they disappeared. If it happened to them it could happen to any creature that walks the earth.

Life picked itself up again and the process resumed and eventually we, the self-named "wise man" emerged to occupy our tiny little time -- seven tenths of an inch, so far -- and create the industrial age to bring forth into the biosphere once more in this 3/1,000th inch of time the toxic hostility that nature has so painstakingly buried down there right back into our living room, so to speak. So much damage, so quickly.

And the result is that seven out of ten biologists of the American Biological Association polled four years ago agree the third mass extinction in earth's recent history is underway, now. Uncounted numbers of species are disappearing at a rate unknown on earth since the extinction of the dinosaurs. A thousand times the normal rate over that span of time. Can anyone think that that is OK and not a problem for us? How long can this go on? All the other mass extinctions were the results of natural disasters but this one is different. It is the largest, unconscious act of the highest form of intelligence yet to evolve and the fruit of that intelligence, the industrial age.

Once one understands the crisis -- deeply understands it -- there is no way any thinking person can stand idly by and just do nothing. Humans must do what they can but denial is alluring. Denial is seductive. And denial is natural. We must get past denial to consider what must be done.

[mcsap]

Zendik , I have PM'ed you with my final thoughts.

I did not intend to hijack this thread.