libs plan violence against the Government when Bush wins.

[massgrunt]

I'm surprised they can get votes from anywhere else.


You know, Oscar's gonna read this and say "They MUST be exaggerating."

[oscarmitre]

I don't know if you blokes are exaggerating but it's not a bad argument for compulsory voting is it? ;)

I mean in a voluntary voting system the important thing is to get people out ot vote and I would imagine that a great deal of local organisation goes into it. So I can well imagine that there would some spectacular stunts pulled - on all sides - to get people out to vote.

[massgrunt]

I don't know if you blokes are exaggerating but it's not a bad argument for compulsory voting is it? ;)

I mean in a voluntary voting system the important thing is to get people out ot vote and I would imagine that a great deal of local organisation goes into it. So I can well imagine that there would some spectacular stunts pulled - on all sides - to get people out to vote.

No, if voting was compulsory, they wouldn't have to do back-flips and party tricks to get the ignorant and apathetic to the polls. They'd already have to go. In our system, some idiot who knows sweet Feck all and doesn't care is cordially invited to sit on his *** at home that day, and that's how I like it.

I don't have a lot of time to elaborate on this, but the Dems are the party of rhetoric and sound-bites. They want the people who don't pay attention or are just plain ignorant to show up, because those people buy their bs at face value.

Do you see the Republicans howling about felons not being able to vote, or telling people to vote whether they know what's going on or not, or getting all defensive at the thought of being reqired to show ID?

As a cop, if someone doesn't want to show you ID, what does that tell you?

[Group9]

I don't know if you blokes are exaggerating but it's not a bad argument for compulsory voting is it? ;)
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Democrats have always been the party to try to rig elections historically as a standard operating procedure. They don't even seem embarrassed about it. I really think they are so sure they are right that the ends of winning the election justifies the means of election fraud.

A friend of mine who was the investigator for the Democratic attorney general in my home state was sent to investigate election fraud at the local Democratic big wigs request. All my friend could find was dozens of cases where Democrats had used absentee ballot fraud to vote dead people and people in nursing homes. His boss kept asking him to try and find just one Republican case of fraud so it wouldn't look so bad. They couldn't.

[oscarmitre]

As an observation of the electoral system is so open to corruption and abuse perhaps it's time for a change?

[acreature]

The question then would be, how?

[oscarmitre]

There are plenty of different models used all over the world, I would think it wouldn't be too difficult to investigate the major ones and adapt as necessary. As an observation it seems to me that your electoral system is like much to do with politics and government in that it is highly localised. There must be a system that can be adapted but which suits you - the most important feature must standardisation I would think.

[oscarmitre]

I suppose that supports my point. It seems to me that there's no consistency in method or system across the country which is quite surprising to me.

[skiingman]

In Pennsylvania,they now have a situation where military ballots were sent out late due to the lawsuit intended to keep Nader off the ballot. Many soldiers overseas have not gotten them yet and cannot get them back on time. The Governor has the authority to extend the deadline for absentee ballots but he refuses to, and at the same time, he just signed an order restoring the voting rights of thousands of convicted felons in that state.

And did I have to mention that the Governor who apparently thinks that a felon's vote is more important than a serviceman'sid a DEMOCRAT?

BTW, it was also the Dems who created the ballot mess by filing the suits to keep Nader off the ballot. God forbid that people should have more choice!

I'm confused. Isn't making convicted felons voters blatantly unconstitutional?

Those Floridians screwed up the absentee ballots recently too. Hoo boy.

The whole voting mess is a pretty poor commentary on gov't in general, I think. Partisanship should have no place in voting...'cept it obviously does here.

[mcsap]

My Governor ( Ed Rendell) was the Democratic Party chairman in the 2000 election supporting Gore.

They were able to get the deadline for the overseas military ballots extended 8 ( eight) days. Still probably not enough time to get them all back though.

[Group9]

As an observation of the electoral system is so open to corruption and abuse perhaps it's time for a change?

It has nothing to do with the electoral system. The electoral system was set up to keep people living in high population areas (like New York, the northeast, and California) from running roughshod over the less populace states.

The electoral college has become even more important as a way to keep recent immigrants, who usually flock to those areas, from taking over the country from people who have been here longer.

Why does that matter? One of my real gripes about recent immigrants voting is that they come here because they thought it was a better place than where they were. They vote without even considering what it is that made this country a place that everyone wants to come to and give in to the Democrats promise to take care of them in exchange for their vote.

The sad thing is that if Kerry is elected, it is undoubtedly going to be the result of massive voter fraud, the same way the Dims have kept control of Chicago and the northeast in the past. It is their way of doing things and as I said before, I really don't think they even see it as anything bad.

[massgrunt]

In And did I have to mention that the Governor who apparently thinks that a felon's vote is more important than a serviceman'sid a DEMOCRAT?

:eek: Get right outta town!

[oscarmitre]

It has nothing to do with the electoral system. The electoral system was set up to keep people living in high population areas (like New York, the northeast, and California) from running roughshod over the less populace states.

The electoral college has become even more important as a way to keep recent immigrants, who usually flock to those areas, from taking over the country from people who have been here longer.

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The electoral college idea, like any other, should be reviewed to see if it is still viable and required. But I wasn't actually referring to that. I was intrigued to see the myriad methods of voting and of electoral administration and how so much of it was subject to partisan behaviour (on both sides) of elected and appointed officials. Some areas have voting machines, some areas have touch screens, I presume some areas even have ballot papers. There seems to be no standardisation and importantly very little non-partisan oversight of the process. Now this might suit the political parties who can manipulate the system at the local level to suit themselves but it surely endangers the validity of the system itself.

[massgrunt]

All these idiots (domestic idiots, that is! :D) whining about the electoral college would be pulling a 180 flip if Bush wins the popular vote and loses the election. They're full of ****.

[skiingman]

All these idiots (domestic idiots, that is! :D) whining about the electoral college would be pulling a 180 flip if Bush wins the popular vote and loses the election. They're full of ****.

No way man.

When they first explained the system to me in the second grade (first Clinton election) I thought it was bonkers. Moral of story: 8 year olds can tell its silly.

I think the people that like it the most are those in the little states. It gives them a feeling of underdog-kicking-butt-ship.

If Bush wins the popular vote and loses the election, I'll smile. Why? Because Republicans will then support removing the electoral college. Perhaps public pressure would get something done in that situation. He's not going to lose though.
-Garrett