Kerry or Bush?

[Orleander]

You can make your own sign. There is a guy down the road who nicely painted (no spray paint) a white sheet with a Bush slogan and hung it on his 8 ft fence. I suppose it irritated the hell outta his nighbor across the road with a teeny Kerry sign. Size does matter.

[bpd35]

Well there is a program and I am sure I could use a sheet but i am kind of anal about my property. While I am very proud to do so I work VERY hard on my yard and property to hang a " cough , cough " white trash flag in the front yard.

[Orleander]

...hang a " cough , cough " white trash flag in the front yard.

Oh. I think he calls it a banner.
Cough up the few bucks for a sign then.

[oscarmitre]

I feel the overwhelming urge to retort but I will not. My huge letters have frightened some people . Sorry I have offended you . I shall now exit the forums and go kick the cat some more.

Bloody hell now I'm on a guilt trip :D

Big letters don't usually offend me - big words can sometimes confuse me but that's another issue.

A retort would be good - at least we could bounce it around for a few posts

;)

[Jynkxxie]

. Size does matter.

That is why I intend to get the largest one possible. :D

[bpd35]

Do they make Viagra for posts ?

[PerpPredator]

You are in the middle now, after the last few weeks of Kerry disagreeing with himself? :eek:

I can see Joe Blow Citizen being in the middle 6 months ago, but now?

Vote for Bush.

I would rather be known as the ******* Americans, rather then the Stupid Americans (Klinton Era) :cool:

Amen man!!!

[Kate]

I'll be voting, but right now I'm still undecided on whether I want to vote for a president at all. I'm not happy with Bush or Kerry, and I'm not either one is worthy of my vote.

I guess I won't know until it's time to pull the lever...

[andytelford]

look at it this way katy, you still have some time to think about it. check out the issues & you should be able to figure out who is a better canidate for you. Thats what I did, & realized that kerry wasn't what I thought he was.

[Ranger__101]

For those who asked what has John Kerry done and some of the votes and issues, the Startribune. www.startribune.com has been working on articles for both candidates. This weeks articles are on John Kerry. (you can log in using this username and password if you don't want to register. User: cypherpunk Password: cypherpunk)

If your interested take a look. Just as a FYI the Startribune has been known to take more of a conservative look over our other paper the Pioneer Press.

Kerry's causes
Star Tribune
October 2, 2004 KERRYCAUSES
Some of the key bills and issues Sen. John Kerry supported in the Senate:

1985-1986

- Launched Senate investigation of the United States trafficking arms to Nicaraguan contras.

- Introduced one of the Senate's earliest bills prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

1987-1988

- Chaired Senate hearings into Haitian military officials' involvement in drug trafficking in the United States.

- Standardized U.S. handicapped parking system. Kerry's legislation required states to recognize permits from other states.

- Introduced legislation to protect the large number of dolphins being caught in fishing nets.

- Helped create a little league baseball division for children with disabilities.

1989-1990

- Passed proposal to reduce the chemicals that cause acid rain.

- Passed a plan that required the use of equipment to stop the release of ozone-depleting gases into the atmosphere when servicing air conditioners and refrigerators.

1993-1994

- Co-sponsored the Family and Medical Leave Act, which guaranteed workers the right to care for new children or family members.

1995-1996

- Worked with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to normalize U.S. relations with Vietnam.

1997-1998

- Co-sponsored the bill that increased the minimum wage.

1999-2000

- Mediated talks between the Cambodian government and the United Nations. Khmer Rouge leaders were later tried on charges of genocide.

Kerry voted for:

- North American Free Trade Agreement

- No Child Left Behind Act

- U.S. Patriot Act

- 2002 Iraq war resolution

- Family and Medical Leave Act

Kerry voted against:

- 1991 Gulf War resolution

- Strategic Defense Initiative ("Star Wars")

- Defense of Marriage Act

- Drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

- $87 billion in supplemental military funding for the Iraq war


Sources: Library of Congress, John Kerry's Campaign and President Bush's campaign.

[oscarmitre]

That alone is reason to give Kerry the boot. It shows that even back in the mid-1980's, he was playing politics with other people's lives. Aid to the rebels in Nicaragua was necessary because they were trying to overthrow a Communist regime which oppressed the people and allowed Soviet bombers to base in our hemisphere.

If the Nicaraguan government wished to base any forces on its soil then isn't that it's sovereign right? What authority does any other country have to stop a sovereign government doing so?

President Reagan supported the people who wanted to be free and boot the Russians out of their country and any decent American stood beside him. Kerry on the other hand chose to join those who wanted to interfere with that process just to try to embarrass and emasculate President Reagan in front of the world. That's what the Boland Amendments were all about--trying the hands of our President AFTER he'd publicly pledged help and support to that oppressed people just to cause him to lose face (and hopefully the next election.)

What happened was that the Reagan Administration sold arms secretly to Iran which was warrring with Iraq. The proceeds were directed to the Contras which were attempting to overthrow a democratically elected government.
Of course this was also a breach of US law.

Meanwhile, in Nicaragua, people who just wanted to be free and have a say in the running of their own country died.

Guerilla war will always result in deaths - on all sides and of innocent non-combatants. Whether they are Left or Right doesn't matter, guerilla warfare does this. In this case the insurgents were Rightists, elements of the previous Somoza dictatorship who were trying to get rid of a democratically elected government.

The Contras and their supporters eventually won the day, in large part to Reagan and people like Lt.Col.Oliver North, and today they elect their own leaders, have a free fress, and celebrate the gift of freedom that was bought and paid for in part by America.

Nicaragua elected Ortega as President in 1984. The Sandinistas lost the election of 1990 - note they lost the election. They didn't stay there and shoot the opposition. Nor did they mount an insurgency as did the previous Somoza regime, to try and overthrow the democratically elected government. There is now an effective constitutional democracy in place in Nicaragua and good luck to them - they now have more parties than New Orleans on Fat Tuesday

[Norm357]

[/QUOTE] There is now an effective constitutional democracy in place in Nicaragua and good luck to them [QUOTE]

Wouldnt that be because of President Reagan and Americas policy at the time?

they now have more parties than New Orleans on Fat Tuesday

God bless em. :D

[oscarmitre]

Reagan didn't want a democratically elected government, he wanted a puppet government sympathetic to the US. That's why the secret funding for the Contras was necessary. The Contras wanted to overthrow the democratically elected government and since it was illegal for the US to fund them it had to be done covertly.

The reason that there is still a democratically elected government in Nicaragua is due to Ortega and the Sandinistas.