anyone see this. Police Brutality - Officer Beats Special Ed Kid

[WorkingOnIt]

not sure if the link will work but it's on youtube. What does everone think? It's become a big fight on facebook.

Also anyone have a opioion on the "face down take down"?


Sorry if this isn't the right spot. Still new here.

[greg72982]

I think there are two sides to the story. It may very well have been excessive force but when all you have is one side of it and a choppy video with no audio, you aren't getting the whole story. In fact right before the initial shove it looks like the kid turns and says something to him.

I like how the media adds that he has a learning disability. What does that matter or have to do with anything??

[Samuel]

Nothing to think - not enough info.

Nothing wrong with a "face down takedown" - it is a preferred transitory position/technique towards gaining control and handcuffing.

[MikeG]

Looked good to me. That looks like one of the "schools for felons" and the kids is "special ed" because he has a criminal history and unable to deal with normal people without violence. The key for me was after the first impact push, the kid aggressively comes back at the officer instead of cowering in a defensive and compliant position. The officer is alone and there is no way he he doesn't immediately control that person less it turns into a 2 or 4 or 4 on 1 scenario. The last thing that officer needs is the confidence in the bystanders to grow as he tries to reason with the first idiot. Rewarding that kid with inaction would give the others a reason to challenge him too. Getting number 1 in handcuffs as soon as possible makes it clear that no BS is tolerated and the odds are reduced by one. Take out the leader as soon as possible before his followers are committed. No one wants to join late to a losing cause so emasculating the instigator has got to be a priority.

The kid apparently lived to tell about it without permanent injury and the officer was uninjured and the three or so others gave up protecting their friend when it was clear the argument was over. That's Win/Win. Not a LEO though.

[G35 Mass]

Where;s the rest of the GOD DAMN VIDEO!

I believe he spat at the officer or something. This video is several years old.

[TEXASCOP]

He was, he was tucking his shirt in? No, No he wasn't. You can tell the situation was escalating. Look at the kids physical cues. You can tell the kid is getting amped up. Did anyone notice the adult female in the dark shirt grab onto the kid. Obviously she noticed something about the kid that caused her to attempt to grab onto him and he jerks away from her (He just showed aggression towards authority). He appears to be ignoring the officer and turning his back on him. We also don't know what was said and a portion of the video appears to be missing.

[WorkingOnIt]

See I agree with all of you. Everyone on facebook can only say "stupid pig is wrong". However when I try to explain that part of the video is clearly missing, audio is missing, he's not trying to tuck his shirt in, etc... they can't seem to understand it. They kid was clearly looking to take it to the next level and for the safty of everyone the officer did what he had to. I just thought it was funny that no normal person could see that.

The other thing is some states may have already stopped leos from using the face down take down. Isn't that the way you want to do it? I mean you can't put him on his back and cuff in front. Just makes sense to take him down that way. Then he's aready where you need him. Am I the only one that thinks that whole thing is crazy? People had died from being tazered. Is that the next thing leos aren't going to be able to use.

[greg72982]

I wish I could remember the name of the post a while back where two versions (and two different angles) of the same video were posted. I thought it really showed the drawbacks of videos like this.

It involved a foot chase where the suspect was shot by police if anyone remembers...

[pafindr]

[MikeG]

People had died from being tazered.

Really? Who? I think there has been maybe one case where the Taser MAY have been the cause and I think it had to do with a pacemaker and the probes being too close to the pacemaker leads (why someone with a pacemaker is doing something to get hit by a Taser is beyond me.)


In-custody deaths can follow the use of the Taser but that has a lot more to do with the condition the deceased prior to the use of a Taser. Without doing any research - just reading newspaper account - I believe a large number of those that die after being hit with a Taser were fighting the police while naked. Being naked and dying is caused by the same thing: methamphetamine use. The technical, scientific term is "causal" vs. "correlation". The press likes to highlight correlated events and insinuate they are causal.

Example of press with more obvious causal/correlation problem:
"Man dies after leaves from tree fall onto his head"

Reality story:
Northern hemisphere starts tilting away from sun in the fall. Temperatures dip causing leaves to turn and fall off the trees. Temps dip below zero and man dies from exposure to elements.

The trees losing leaves and the temperature dropping and deaths from exposure are all correlated because of the causal event of the earth going through its seasons. Since Tasers are more mysterious to people than events we all experience, it's easier to get people to believe "it must be causal." And the way lawyers work, if they represented the man who died from exposure above, they would sue the planter of the tree, find some "exert" and pay them handsomely to say the man also suffered evidence of blunt force trauma to the head possibly from the falling leaves and that may have contributed to him being unconscious under the tree in addition to the massive quantity of alcohol he drank prior to passing out.

People that have a Taser applied to them and subsequently die haven't been shown to have a causal relationship. More people die in a hospital too. They aren't killed by the hospital though. Going to the hospital and dying are correlated events linked by illness, not a causal event.

[Samuel]

Hey Greg, were you talking about Suspect Marquise Hudspeth in Shreveport LA?

[greg72982]

Thank you sir, rep sent

Hey Greg, were you talking about Suspect Marquise Hudspeth in Shreveport LA?

I don't know, was I lol?

[flaleo]

Looked good to me. That looks like one of the "schools for felons" and the kids is "special ed" because he has a criminal history and unable to deal with normal people without violence. The key for me was after the first impact push, the kid aggressively comes back at the officer instead of cowering in a defensive and compliant position. The officer is alone and there is no way he he doesn't immediately control that person less it turns into a 2 or 4 or 4 on 1 scenario. The last thing that officer needs is the confidence in the bystanders to grow as he tries to reason with the first idiot. Rewarding that kid with inaction would give the others a reason to challenge him too. Getting number 1 in handcuffs as soon as possible makes it clear that no BS is tolerated and the odds are reduced by one. Take out the leader as soon as possible before his followers are committed. No one wants to join late to a losing cause so emasculating the instigator has got to be a priority.

The kid apparently lived to tell about it without permanent injury and the officer was uninjured and the three or so others gave up protecting their friend when it was clear the argument was over. That's Win/Win. Not a LEO though.

^^this

This is the media at it's finest right here. Ridiculous really. They hammer the special ed part over and over. Not to mention they advise us that "he was scared for his life". Come on. This kid is going to say whatever his attorney leads him to say. Something like this...."So, you were scared for your life right?" blah blah blah.

Like said, there are ALWAYS two sides to a story and this one is missing the better half.

[Andrew G.]

For what my opinion is worth on this matter, recently graduating high-school I had seen EXACTLY what a "Special-Ed" child/teen/adult can do. I had watched one nearly my height, probably weighing a little bit more than me, pick up a desk and pitch it probably 20 or so feet down the hallway. These were heavy desks. I'm 5'10 & about 190lbs., and he could've easily beaten the living crap out of me should he have chose to do so. While not an extremely competent fighter, I'm not totally without ability to fight; I'm pretty healthy. If he (or any of the others, as a matter of fact) took a good enough swing, they could easily break ribs or at least dislocate my jaw (if not KO me from the get-go).

I absolutely LOATHE the fact that they keep pressing the "Special Needs" bit. His mental capacity doesn't change the fact that it is entirely likely he presented himself in a manner that would've given the officer reason to believe that he was an immediate threat to himself, or others around him.

I'd rather see the boy on the ground & restrained, rather than an LEO (or bystander!) in the hospital.

That's just my four half-pennies though.