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Last edited by explorer949; 12-27-04 at 01:40 PM.
I'd say whichever one RealPolice can give you the better deal on.
I still like the closed case better. Better public perception, I think.
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Personally I wouldnt go for either, as Greenlead said go for a closed case, the reason for this is once the open one has worn in it will become loose which means when you run or struggle with someone the cuffs will end up falling out.
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Yeah, what they all said. Also, the thing to remember with chain-out cases is that the mechanics are exposed to the elements, and require frequent cleaning and oiling. How about these? The locking mechanism is down in the pouch, and the case is formed rather than relying on friction. There is no snap, you just pull straight out, and the cuff is held in by the pressure of that middle indent. I use these on my belt and have never had a problem with them.
I prefer the covered cases for duty belt use.
Working plain clothes, I hate the open style, but decent compact closed ones are rare. The open ones make noise and it bugs me to death.
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Last edited by explorer949; 12-27-04 at 01:34 PM.
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Why do you use hinged? What kind of DT does your department use? Are these to give to an officer or for your training scenarios?
Go Safariland on leather. Its synthetic and TUFF. Plus their High Gloss line is the best looking. I used to use the cheap Galls leather, but in a struggle one day a guy actually ripped my mag pouches right off my belt.Originally Posted by explorer949
This is the style I would go with and the company I get all my things from, they are cheap and FAST. They offer this model in hinged. They don't rip you for shipping either. 2 or 3 dollars at most.
I use high gloss COVERED holders for my cuffs, safariland.
http://www.reddiamondonline.com/deta...product_id=090
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Last edited by explorer949; 12-27-04 at 01:35 PM.
Safariland is great but for real leather I would go for Don Hume. And I prefer hidden snap or velcro over the shiny snap. Don Hume is more money but that is some quality stuff man. I don't know if J can get it or not you will have to ask him.
Yeah Jason hooked me up pretty good! Will be bringing all my business back. I just love my Safariland.
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Last edited by explorer949; 12-27-04 at 01:36 PM.
DT = Defensive Tactics
What type of DT program does your dept use? Koga, FBI, PPCT, a blend? I only ask because hinged ARE better for control, but they are TOUGH to get onto a struggling suspect. I would recommend being extremely proficient at applying the more adaptable chained model before trying to master the hinged. I've only been through the academy, and we did PPCT, and I consider myself a pretty proficient beginner, but I know that everything I did there was mostly for a suspect that was more or less compliant. When they're not though, good luck getting them on. I don't mean this as an affront to you as an explorer, but I doubt that you would be as proficient as someone that has graduated from a DT program...hell, even my instructors weren't too comfortable with them. They said they would apply them AFTER the chained ones were on, then remove the chained ones. They also said they basically left them for use by corrections officers, because with the decreased mobility in the hinged, you have a lot bigger potential for injury when you stuff them in a cruiser.
Bottom line? You have to apply them first before you can control someone with them, and research shows that most non-compliance comes with the application of the first bracelet. Unless you really know what you are doing, once you put that first cuff on, hang on because that hinged open single strand becomes a deadly weapon.
I know you as an Explorer are not doing much in the way of solo cuffing on the street now, but you might as well start training the best way possible, and that is learning to crawl before you walk. My $.02.
Good luck on your purchases!
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