Army Ends Beret for combat uniform, adpts utility cover (patrol cap in Army lingo)

[MikeG]

Hey!! Call it "girlie-friendly" cause I refer to myself as a female and I can read a map and land-nav.

yeah, yeah. They all say that until you put them in an environment where the terrain features aren't their local shopping malls. At least when your doing landnav on foot, you're only getting lost at 3-4 miles per hour. Give 'em a map and a freeway and they're getting lost at a mile a minute.

Ever wonder why the explorers of the New World like Magellan, Columbus, etc, were crewed only with men? It was because the co-ed cruises didn't make it back and you never learned about them. Think about Captain RDS coming on deck at 8 bells to his First Officer wife at the helm in the middle of the Atlantic - "You can't read a map, can you?". Heck, that whole "flat earth" theory was created by men just to keep 'em off - "see this map? just stay away from the edges and you won't fall off." - terrified them.

And this little guy is about as close to land nav as I get.....

[retdetsgt]

Lord almighty!! If that is the case, that dumb whiny broad needs to be discharged ASAP!! When I was active, my hair was past my shoulders, about to my shoulder blades. It was kept up with at least 2 if not 3 hair-ties in a bun. The band of my beret sat just above my bun...then again I was Airborne and someone actually taught me how to wear a beret properly instead of looking like a fuzzy pizza on my head... idiots. Either way. I call bs on the dumb cook. Discharge her and let her go stand in her own kitchen, because it's obvious she doesn't belong in the Army if she can not figure out a way to properly wear headgear.

I very seriously doubt that any of that is true. It sounds like fodder for talk radio. The military moves like a giant behemoth and one person complaining doesn't mean squat, no matter who they are and especially if they're enlisted or not a general or admiral.

I can't believe the CSM of the army went to the Army chief of staff and said, "Hey, General! We have this really ticked off woman cook at Ft. Bragg. What should we do about it?"

What I really suspect is this was ordered by the departing chief of staff so he could leave a bit of a legacy. I read an article recently that said he was given a list of enlisted peoples' phone numbers weekly and he would personally call them. He would ask them what was going on that they like and what did they not like. I'm sure he got the usual whining, but if he was constantly hearing complaints about the headgear, that was something he could do and leave a mark.

[Joeyd6]

You guys all make great points. I guess I have been "spoiled" or "luck" in my career when it comes to women. In my company with the NYPD, we had three. And although they had "women" standards, all scored on PT stuff within the mens. They were all there to do the job and every one got in the square and boxed against men during the boxing block. Some got knocked out their rear and kept getting up. I would have worked with them any day.

In the FAMS it was all about shooting. And the four in my class could kill it. I will say all looked like football players and could have easily kicked my rear.

And at the current place, we have 1 female agent, but she was the first one through the door by choice. She is out on maternity so lets see if that changes when she gets back.

[TSOC357]

The Class A is being morphed into something that resembles what you would have seen in a low-budget 70's era Sci-Fi flick. Kind of a bastardization of the green class-A and the dress blues.

The ASU is being based around the Original Army Dress uniform from back in the Revolutionary War period.

[TSOC357]

Were patrol caps phased out for army units or were they always authorized head gear?

It was still authorized and could be utilized if Commander wanted it to be or felt that it was needed, such as out in the field. In garrison, 99.9% of the time we were stuck in berets no matter what was going on.

We've already gone back to soft caps and as such, myself and my troops won't have to carry two pieces of headgear with us. What a PITA that was.

And for the record, myself and several other NCOs went out to the beach other other night and burnt berets because we only need one now instead of two. And yes, it felt good.