Chalk up another victory for the terrorists!!!

[retdetsgt]

I don't know how well that'll work for the prosecution. Unit cohesion being what it is and all...

Fear of perjury generally overcomes cohesion when push comes to shove. Will they be willing to put their careers on the line if they have to lie to defend them?

The attorney doesn't sound like he knows much about the case. He also never addressed the false report allegation either. And I sure never heard of offering someone an Article 15, have them refuse it and then the commander say the hell with it and just issue a letter of reprimand like the attorney suggested. That might have been the end result if they had taken the Article 15, but it won't be now.

I hope these guys come out okay, I'll say that again. But from what I've seen so far and based on my experience (admittedly a long time ago), I think they would have probably been better off taking the Admiral's Mast. The military command does not like to look foolish chances are they'll hammer these men if found guilty now. It's pretty rare that you'll come out ahead by refusing the Article 15.

[Sgt. Slaughter]

Fear of perjury generally overcomes cohesion when push comes to shove.

From a Marine Corps perspective, I disagree. I would further surmise that elite units including and comparable to the SEALs would not speak ill of their brethren unless it were very egregious circumstances. That seems to be the nature of the beast - especially when having worked together in real world operations.

Will they be willing to put their careers on the line if they have to lie to defend them?

Based upon my above statement, I would say so. However, not knowing the men personally, we won't know until the court martial is complete.

The attorney doesn't sound like he knows much about the case. He also never addressed the false report allegation either. And I sure never heard of offering someone an Article 15, have them refuse it and then the commander say the hell with it and just issue a letter of reprimand like the attorney suggested. That might have been the end result if they had taken the Article 15, but it won't be now.

I thought the attorney referenced that the letter of admonishment should have been the limit of any discipline instead of career-ending NJP. I'll have to go back and listen to it again to be sure.

It's disappointing that CentCom and SOCOM convened this to begin with. I'd be interested to see whom specifically did the investigation and where the decision was made to charge these men.

In the end, it sucks we have to wait until January....

[Big_Montana]

I figure they should have given them a medal, but for once i like the media involvement in this, because i'm sure it's going to (or already has so i read...) cause some high priced lawyer to take the case for free just to get the press coverage...cases like this are better than buying a commercial for a good lawyer.

[retdetsgt]

From a Marine Corps perspective, I disagree. I would further surmise that elite units including and comparable to the SEALs would not speak ill of their brethren unless it were very egregious circumstances. That seems to be the nature of the beast - especially when having worked together in real world operations.


Based upon my above statement, I would say so. However, not knowing the men personally, we won't know until the court martial is complete.


I thought the attorney referenced that the letter of admonishment should have been the limit of any discipline instead of career-ending NJP. I'll have to go back and listen to it again to be sure.

It's disappointing that CentCom and SOCOM convened this to begin with. I'd be interested to see whom specifically did the investigation and where the decision was made to charge these men.

In the end, it sucks we have to wait until January....

This is a general (or do they call it admiral in the Navy?) court martial, not just an inquiry where they can say they didn't see anything. Standing up for someone is one thing, going to federal prison to cover up what they did is another.

I still bet that the false report is what set this off. Nobody, even SEAL command don't want to be lied to. I've seen a lot, and I mean a lot of things forgiven as a result of combat as long as the people involved were forthright in telling what happened. The last thing any commander will tolerate is to go in defense of his people only to find out they were untruthful with him. But I've seen firsthand some defense of soldiers who were "overenthusiastic" to say the very least after an enemy ambush or engagement. Some of that would have been first page stuff on the NYT had it gotten out and it didn't. And we weren't "elite units", we were grunts. I also know a false or even misleading official report would have gotten us a general court martial in a heartbeat.

All we can do is pray it ends well.

[Sgt. Slaughter]

All we can do is pray it ends well.

I'm down with that.

[Sgt. Slaughter]

Today's the day for the SEALs.

Show of Support - Video - FOXNews.com

http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/vie...691701383.html

[Sgt. Slaughter]

Navy SEALs accused of abusing Iraq detainee have courts-martial set, vow to defend charges -- latimes.com

Trial dates are set for next month.

The 3rd SEAL hasn't been arraigned yet.

Prosecution still hasn't complete disclosure of the evidence.