Army MP/CID/Warrant Officer

[Joeyd6]

I can tell you CID at Ft. Riley, KS is a joke and hilarious.

I lost 14 pills (It was the entire scrpt I got them earlier that day on post) of Opana (Narcotic). I don't know what happened, but I have a theory. I had multiple scripts filled and when I took them out the Pharmacy bag, I think I left the Opana in there and threw it out mistakingly. Or, they fell out, I left them somewhere, God only knows. I honestly don't know and never willl. Anyway, I told my next line supervisor and doctor and was ordered by my NCO to report this to the MP office just in case a fellow soldier found them and returned them or worse took them and OD'D. I complied as it was an order by my NCO .The Dr. however seemed less worried.

I do the report and 3 days later, I'm sitting in a CID interrogation room looking at false statement and distrubution charges. DISTRIBUTION CHARGES? HOW THE BEEP!? From what evidence did they have or investigative information they did in 3 days? I don't know? Especially since I honestly lost them, so I know there is no evidence of me sellng them (Like video, pictures, voice). And, that no one would say that they witnessed this because I lost them. But, then it's a he said she said deal. I had been on that pill for nearly a year pior to this. Why the hell would I decide to fake a loss of 14 pills instead of a months supply of 90? So, to their great go-go-gadget detective work, I faked 14 lost pills by selling them,taking them, whatever, then even though I never tried to recoup the pills, their idea is, I was going to get the script re-filled and get 14 more doubling it to 28 pills. Yeah, I'm rather double 14 pills to 28 rather than 90 to a 180, smart detective.


Except that, that behavior was irrational to a chronic pain patient. Being that we live our lives around pills because withdrawal is a biabia. I can tell you I wouldnt sell my pills or give them away even a 100 bucks a pill. W/D are worse.

But, their charges werent of "Addiction" but disribution. Go-go gadget brain!

The CID agent comes in and ask if I'd like a drink or something to snack on. I say sure. He gets me a drink and comes back closes the door, sits down, and asks if I want to clarify my statement. I said No, what my statement says is what happened. If he needs clarification I could simply re-read my statement to him. I asked what my charges are which he told me. I said, thanks for the gatoraid, do you have the number to JAG?

He arrested me and my CO had to come pick me up. It was laughable, they couldnt get me on the charges so basicaly tried to piss off my CO so he would be pissed at me. A low blow tactic.

Anyway, how they got these charges with absolutely no evidence is absurd and beyond me.

I know a lot of soldiers get narcs, pretend to lose them and try to get a refill to double up. But, I get refills monthly, so it wasn't lke I would never get more (if addiction was considerd), which was obviously over-looked by this idiot agent. It would only make sense if I got them for an acute illness, not a chronic illness were I was on a nartic regiment anyway, moron.

The thing about that was, I informed my doctor, but didnt get a refill or even ask. So that was out of the question to begin with.

Horrible detective work.

The guy thought he was **** tracy but was completely and utterly wrong. Idiot.

First time in my life I couldnt stand a LEO and had the F THE POLICE mentality. For awhile after that I lost all faith in law enforcement officers. Honestly, I still do. What the agent tried to do was beyond bullcrap.

Lame.

I realy want to now how he qualified as a CID agent. His "gut" feelin is crap.

I already gave my two cents on the matter. If you don't go to FLETC or a FLETC accredited academy (DEA, FBI), you should not be able to call yourself a federal cop or federal agent. But anways...what happened with the charges?

[I_Follow_ROE]

They brought article 15 and 30 charges against me - I opted for court martial trial due to (And filed for article 31 "COMPULSORY SELF-INCRIMINATION PROHIBITED") 1-I didn't do it, and 2- Their complete lack of evidence, being that a gut feeling isn't proof. I also had several statements "affidavits" from Officers, senior NCO's, care providers of both professional opinion and character.

They tried saying my character was bad due to a not at fault car accident I had on post. They were using any tactic they could.

I ended up with a Colonel for a JAG lawyer. He called on day and told me, charges dropped. Get drunk.

Charges were dropped because it would never get seen by JAG corp to go to trial for lack of evidence and some other lawyer court language jumbo.

I mean, you try to do the right thing and get a kick in the face, ridiculous. Till this day I cant believe this schmuck.

I wasn't even going to report it, I was just going to take the loss and drive on. I only did the report because my NCO told me to over a general conversation.

Their whole "theory" didn't ever make sense from my stand point or my supervisors. No one could figure out what the heck was going on.

It just caused me, my unit, and command group headache's. My CO even told these schmucks I was a good soldier and please lay-off they'll handle it.

I had a perfect civilian and soldiering record, nothing to indicate this type of behavior. And, as I said, 14 pills!?


Arti 31

(a) No person subject to this chapter may compel any person to incriminate himself or to answer any questions the answer to which may tend to incriminate him.

(b) No person subject to this chapter may interrogate, or request any statement from an accused or a person suspected of an offense without first informing him of the nature of the accusation and advising him that he does not have to make any statement regarding the offense of which he is accused or suspected and that any statement made by him may be used as evidence against him in a trial by court-martial.

(c) No person subject to this chapter may compel any person to make a statement or produce evidence before any military tribunal if the statement or evidence in not material to the issue and may tend to degrade him.

(d) No statement obtained from any person in violation of this article, or through the use of coercion, unlawful influence, or unlawful inducement may be received in evidence against him in a trial by court-martial.

[Sgt. Slaughter]

CID does not charge subjects of investigations with crimes. CID investigates allegations of wrongdoing and once an investigation is completed, turns the findings over to the appropriate command and legal authority for disposition and adjudication.

If you were actually charged, that was on someone else's shoulders.

[Adrenolize]

I was an USMC MP, not really close to what you are looking at...but I had plenty of dealings with the NCIS. Now having experience on both sides (military and civvy), I have to say that the military side of law enforcement in general is a shade of what you get in the really, real world (IMO).

There were guys who worked with the FBI on detachment who suddenly liked to flash their FBI cred's and wear trench coats. Working around DC was the worst for this!

I guess my biggest problem is like some of the stories I read on this thread. You get one guy with a complex, and suddenly he is ruining peoples careers. I think it is the complete control the military in general has over everyone.

Case in point. On Okinawa, a few Recon Marines float up to Futenma and proceed to just tear the place apart. There were three of them and they were just kicking the piss out of all of us poor MP's (lol). After they had destroyed the E Club, a Ford Explorer patrol vehicle and taking 20 MP's to bring down we locked them up. Due to the extent of the damage (actually impressive), NCIS was called. All kinds of charges were coming on these guys, and they just thought it was great. By early next morning a Colonel and a Sgt. Maj show up and announce these guys are needed for some mission and to write it up as "Good Training". That was it, case closed.

That was the day I started seriously working out and training. Anyway, I would be very careful - you can't just walk away from that job like you can out in the really-real world..lol.

[I_Follow_ROE]

If you were actually charged, that was on someone else's shoulders.

I believe they recommend article 15 to the company but can get (not your unit I cant remember who) to proceed with art 30 and certain other artis.

Again, everything was dropped after I clearly said I would go for court martial.

[Sgt. Slaughter]

I'm sure as investigators for the Army, under a separate, exclusive chain of command, that they can "recommend" anything to anyone. However, it appears they do not participate in the actual charging of a crime. If you have Article 15 (NJP), your command initiates that. If you do a Courts Martial, JAG would file and prosecute that. Article 30 is the judicial process by which investigators basically "certify" what they have investigated. So to say you were "charged" with Articles 15 and 30 is incorrect.

What you don't understand or agree with is the technique of a single investigator because you were the target of the investigation. Anyone here who's questioned people before know we don't question each person the same way. Many times during an interrogation, I've changed methods until I find one that works. That all depends on the crime, my evidence and the person I'm dealing with.

Does it make sense that someone, somewhere would investigate missing prescription drugs? You said they were narcotics. I can see how (from a military standpoint) that would cause concern to lots of people and warrant someone looking into it. Here's the article that relates and even stipulate court-martial-directed punishment:

ART. 112a. WRONGFUL USE, POSSESSION, ETC., OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES
(a) Any person subject to this chapter who wrongfully uses, possesses, manufactures, distributes, imports into the customs territory of the United States, exports form the United States, or introduces into an installation, vessel, vehicle, or aircraft used by or under the control of the armed forces a substance described in subsection (b) shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
(b) The substances refereed to in subsection (a) are the following:
(1) opium, heroin, cocaine, amphetamine, lysergic acid diethylamide, methamephetamine, penecyclidine, barbituric acid, and marijuana, and any compound or derivative of any such substance.
(2) Any substance not specified in clause (1) that is listed on a scheduile of controlled substances prescribed by the President for the purposes of this article.
(3) Any other substance not specified in clause (1) or contained on a list prescribed by the President under clause (2) that is listed in Schedules I through V of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812).

Your story is obviously one-sided. I understand that. You only HAVE your side to tell. We have no information on what CID has on their report. But, further stating that charges were dropped because of a "lawyer court language jumbo" doesn't explain anything to anyone. Either they had evidence or they didn't. That should have been enough to drop (or not file in the beginning) charges.

Yes, you may have gotten investigated by a new Agent, or even someone who's not had much experience interrogating suspects. Either way, the investigation was completed and the results of it were passed on up the chain. At that point, CID's involvement is done. They did what they were paid to do - just like you did during your service to the Army. You repeatedly referring to them as "schmucks" or "idiots" does nothing for you or your case. And little quips like "go-go gadget brain" further solidifies your childish demeanor.

In the end, your story will not sway me from wanting to join the unit. If (that's a BIG 'if') it is truly as you say it is, then I can bring lots of experience and professionalism to them. I have a personal opinion that you are bitter due to being the target of their investigation. I'm already accustomed to not having suspects and targets not wanting to be my friend. Somehow, I still sleep well and continue on.

[clark7]

Everything.

I'm sorry, but someone has to stick up for CID on this one...

1. Maybe you should be more careful with your narcotics, Oxymorphone is a Schedule II drug, and has seen a rise in abuse in the ranks. Not many excuses for misplacing a drug of that caliber.

2. "I HONESTLY lost them... what evidence did they have..." sounds like the words of an innocent person to me. I'm pretty sure there's something missing from this story.

3. "He arrested me" I sincerely doubt he arrested you, otherwise, you probably would have been headed to county. He probably processed you (Fingerprints, Mug Shot, which is standard procedure), then released you to your chain-of-command (also a regulatory requirement, what with all the suicides.)

Everything that happened afterward was all JAG... CID has nothing to do with Article 15s; Article 30 (your charge sheet, also prepared by JAG); conduct of court martials and what have you.

It wasn't that agent's call whether or not to conduct the investigation or interrogate you; CID Special Agents don't get that kind of discretion. You were in the Army, and had orders to follow, same thing with CID. There was reasonable suspicion in your case, and that's all it takes to initiate a case. We all have jobs to do.

That said, the way CID cases wrap up isn't always the best. Once an offense is founded, unless we have evidence that says the offense DID NOT occur, the case will close as founded. However, a founded cases does not equal a conviction.

-And JoeyD6, thanks, and appreciate the support. Glad I know where you stand.