US Marshal Question!!! RE: Citizenship.

[RodRamos]

So I am 32 years old and interested in a career as a DUSM. I am fluent in 3 languages and have an extensive background in the mental health field (8 years) and believe I will make a great asset to thr organization.

Heres my question, I am a legal imigrant at the moment going through the citizenship process. I estimate it will be around 6 months for me to become a US Citizen, and about a year total for me to be able to have a fair chance at the physical portion of the exam.

So, will I be able to apply being a US Citizen but not born in the US? Also I will be maybe 34 or even 35 years old (the max age is 36), will this pose a problem?

Thank you for any suggestions and information.

[ChesCopPodz]

Honestly, with the languages and the psych background, FBI would probably sounds like the better fit with your skills. The citizenship issue shouldn't be a problem.

[RodRamos]

I really have my heart set in the USM Services. Im intrested in either the Fugitive Task Force or a position in a court as Judge Security Detail, I know I cant pick and choose but those are my favorable areas. Thank you for the information.

Im likely to speak with a recruiter on Monday to discuss my situation and likelihood of program acceptance.

Will post the information as I believe it will be of importance to individuals in similar situation.

Rod

[Kimble]

So I am 32 years old and interested in a career as a DUSM. I am fluent in 3 languages and have an extensive background in the mental health field (8 years) and believe I will make a great asset to thr organization.

Heres my question, I am a legal imigrant at the moment going through the citizenship process. I estimate it will be around 6 months for me to become a US Citizen, and about a year total for me to be able to have a fair chance at the physical portion of the exam.

So, will I be able to apply being a US Citizen but not born in the US? Also I will be maybe 34 or even 35 years old (the max age is 36), will this pose a problem?

Thank you for any suggestions and information.

From the USMS website under Career Opportunities/Qualifications: "You must be a U.S. citizen." Note it doesn't say "You must be a U.S. citizen born in the United States." Here's the qualifications: U.S. Marshals Service, Qualifications

As far as the age issue, you have to be hired by 37, no if's, and's or but's. If you're hired by 37 you're good (that's not a USMS requirement, that's a OPM requirement that affects ALL federal LE jobs that have special LE retirement under FERS). The earlier you apply before 37 the more time you have before the age cut-off, but as long as you're hired by 37 you're solid.

[TSOC357]

As far as the age issue, you have to be hired by 37, no if's, and's or but's. If you're hired by 37 you're good (that's not a USMS requirement, that's a OPM requirement that affects ALL federal LE jobs that have special LE retirement under FERS). The earlier you apply before 37 the more time you have before the age cut-off, but as long as you're hired by 37 you're solid.

Only exception to that is US Vets and if the agency is going with current OPM rules. I know several of my guys/gals have gotten out over the age of 37 and have been canned with the FAMS but been allowed to process with other agencies.

[Switchback]

Only exception to that is US Vets and if the agency is going with current OPM rules. I know several of my guys/gals have gotten out over the age of 37 and have been canned with the FAMS but been allowed to process with other agencies.

I can tell you first-hand, I know several guys that retired from the military and were no permitted to apply. The ONLY exception I know is a guy who started the hiring process, the federal agency screwed up something and he went over the age cut-off in the meantime. They gave him the waiver because it was THEIR fault that he was not hired before he was 37. I have an ICE buddy that was brought on after his 37th b-day, but he had the job offer well before his b-day and there was a lull in activity between the offer and him actually starting the activity.

Otherwise, in my 15 years, I've not seen it.

[Big Sexy]

To echo Switcback, BIG knows of a guy who received a waiver, due to agency error in his hiring. These are the exceptions and not the rules.

[Big Sexy]

Honestly, with the languages and the psych background, FBI would probably sounds like the better fit with your skills. The citizenship issue shouldn't be a problem.

No offense to BIG's FBI brethren, he knows the movies and tv has painted them as the "be all to end all", of federal law enforcement, but those of us in other agencies also appreciate a little diversity amongst our agent personnel.

Meaning we also seek and utilize the same skill sets someone like the OP has. Even the USMS.

[retdetsgt]

No offense to BIG's FBI brethren, he knows the movies and tv has painted them as the "be all to end all", of federal law enforcement,

Some of them believe that too.....

[BP348]

Only exception to that is US Vets and if the agency is going with current OPM rules. I know several of my guys/gals have gotten out over the age of 37 and have been canned with the FAMS but been allowed to process with other agencies.

The only agency I've heard that applying to is USBP. I've heard of people getting in with ICE after turing 37 but they had their TO before they turned 37.

To the OP, every federal Law Enforcement position is going to require that you be a U.S. citizen.

[TSOC357]

I can tell you first-hand, I know several guys that retired from the military and were no permitted to apply. The ONLY exception I know is a guy who started the hiring process, the federal agency screwed up something and he went over the age cut-off in the meantime. They gave him the waiver because it was THEIR fault that he was not hired before he was 37. I have an ICE buddy that was brought on after his 37th b-day, but he had the job offer well before his b-day and there was a lull in activity between the offer and him actually starting the activity.

Otherwise, in my 15 years, I've not seen it.

Even with the Labor Board (or whatever its called) ruling and it saying in a lot of the 1811 annoucements that Vets over 37 can apply under VEOA?

I'm asking for my Troops.

Thanks.

[retdetsgt]

That's their loss if they don't allow for military retirees to even apply. Some of our best, most hardworking and productive people are retired military. They included a retired Army CSM, a retired SEAL Master Chief and numbers of other high ranking enlisted personnel who still loved mixing it up and brought incredible maturity and experience to the job. What I always thought was interesting was that not a single one ever even took a promotional exam. They all wanted to be on the front line. I think any agency is foolish not to consider them.

[Switchback]

Even with the Labor Board (or whatever its called) ruling and it saying in a lot of the 1811 annoucements that Vets over 37 can apply under VEOA?

I'm asking for my Troops.

Thanks.

Yup. I stand by my original post, which seems to be echoed by the experiences of the other feds on here.

Look at it as a"loss" if you wish, but it is about the retirement system. I know many veterans who chose a federal career and left the military in the early-to-mid 30s. It was their choice. They could have gone for their 20 in the military and then gone local for the 2nd retirement, but with our system it is not an option and they made their choice.

[retdetsgt]

Look at it as a"loss" if you wish, but it is about the retirement system. I know many veterans who chose a federal career and left the military in the early-to-mid 30s. It was their choice. They could have gone for their 20 in the military and then gone local for the 2nd retirement, but with our system it is not an option and they made their choice.

Well, that wasn't the point, but okay. The point was federal agencies are losing out of some good people because of the retirement or whatever. It's not so much the retirees' loss, they can find an LE agency that will accept them.

[Switchback]

Oh, I understood. You put it as being the agency's loss. To an extent, I see where you are coming from and agree. However, at that stage of things, it is the investment that the government wants back from the individual and they can't get it without getting the 20 years out of them. I am fairly confident that the mandatory retirement age will be raised pretty soon. If it were to get raised even a year or 2, it would allow a lot of vets to get their 20 in with the military and then still get 20 in with the G. Until then, it is up to the vet to decide if they want to go federal or not... and then walk away from the military (at least full-time component) to get that federal job.