NYPD: True Life before the beat.

[Boston911]

The New York Police Department is unsatisfactory. I recently completed the process but after further research, will be submitting my letter of withdrawl. Why?

First, the NYPD's equipment is unsatisfactory (unless you're ESU or HGWY). Not a single street cruiser I saw had a laptop. Police officer radios are still the hand held walkie-talkies and night-sticks. Beat cops are walking around with sagging duty belts and baggy uniforms, the officers looked very unprofessional. As I walked through Penn Station, the AMTRAK cops had more of an executive appearance than the NYPD officers. So did the PAPD at the Port Authority Bus. This is to no fault of the brave NYPD officers but to the establishment. New Yorkers wont notice this (or probably even care) but having lived in Boston, in NYC, and traveled to numerous of ther states. There is a noticable difference.

Secondly, The pay they offer the officers is cruel and unusual and DOES NOT match cost of living. With a city that requires you to pay 8% Sales tax, Federal Tax, State Tax, a seperate City Tax, anything under $50k seems to tap the poverty line. I couldn't imagine if they passed the "conjestion pricing". Well welcome to the NYPD where we're willing to start you off at roughly $9.11 an hour in the academy and $11.66/hr. after the academy with a 35hrs a month OT cap. Thats great when a decent apt will run you about $1,500-$2,000 a month which DOESNT include a car note (if you have a car), car insurance, utilities, food, creditcards, clothing, any loans you may have, and payroll deductions if you dare to have medical or dental insurance. Have kids? Forget about it. I hope your wife/husband has a great job. Imagine getting paid $11hr to walk a beat, get assaulted, disrespected, and try to control the zoo which is NYC. After 5 years you will get that 60k salary which is not all that bad. Four years of living a small studio in a suspect neighborhood and eating Ramen Noodles and drinking KoolAid while having walked 8,000+ miles drowns out the appeal of a $60k payday. 30% of that will go to taxes anyway and 25% of that salary will go out to paying for your unanticipated divorce that occured two years ago. If you not married/engaged, now you finally have enough money to go out and 'mingle'.

Thirdly, its hyper dangerous. Police Work by default is dangerous business but NYC is its own beast. NYC has a population of roughly 8,000,000. It is also a racially self-segregated city. A liberal city. Riots, terrorism, gang violence, hate crimes, child abuse, murder, rape, domestic violence, racism, protest, illegal immigration, death, sexism, white collar crime, housing projects, innocent victims, street crime, guns, robbery, harassment, muggings, organized crime, socialism, burgulary, auto theft, tourism, suicide. It happens in NYC, 10 fold.


What's the moral of the story? Think! Before you decide to work in the concrete jungle that is NYC and join the ranks of the NYPD. Do your research and be absolutely SURE that you are prepared for the career life of a NYPD officer. If nothing that I've mentioned above strikes you. Then YOU are the ideal candidate the NYPD is looking for.

[SSA1811]

What's the moral of the story? Think! Before you decide to work in the concrete jungle that is NYC and join the ranks of the NYPD.

Everything you mentioned in your post prior to this about: the equipment; the pay; and the danger should have been apparent if you had done even the minimal amount of homework.

Yet you went went ahead and applied anyway, but now are going to withdraw? Why did you waste eveyones time? You're not still upset about the SuperBowl are you?

Theres an old song that goes, ".... before you criticize and accuse, walk a mile in my shoes". May I suggest that you haven't even tried those shoes on, let alone walked in them. Everyone on this Forum is aware of the issues you brought up, and you would be better off complaining to Mayor Bloomberg and/or Commissioner Kelly if you would like to see change at the NYPD.


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[Joeyd6]

The New York Police Department is unsatisfactory. I recently completed the process but after further research, will be submitting my letter of withdrawl. Why?

How about cause you are a from this hole called Boston and we are from the greatest city the world, home of the Yankees!

First, the NYPD's equipment is unsatisfactory (unless you're ESU or HGWY).

Wrong.

Not a single street cruiser I saw had a laptop.

Then you did not look very hard. Only cars without laptops are fleet vehicles, loaners and those nearing retirement.

Police officer radios are still the hand held walkie-talkies

Uh...every police department has handheld. I am now a fed and have a handheld! As for the cars not having radios, they don't need them. Since each cop has a radio on his belt, why would he/she need one in the car too? Its called a economical approach. This is NYC where there is lots of crime and real life thugs. So rather than a have a police radio sitting in a police car (which is usually empty cause the cops are inside handling a call) that can be quickly and easily stolen and later used by a perp, you remove it so it can't be stolen.

and night-sticks.

Maybe you should do some research. The full length nightsticks are a necessary tool. ASP's are nice and most have one. But when a riot breaks out or you need crowd control, ASP has stated they do not guarantee their sticks for prolonged crowd control. It is standard crowed control tactics to have a hard stick. And in NY it can happen at any time, so you need to have it with you. Take a harder look and you will see cops have BOTH the ASP and straight baton.

Beat cops are walking around with sagging duty belts and baggy uniforms, the officers looked very unprofessional.

The belts sag with all the gear. Compare a NYPD cops belt with other departments. There is a difference in equipment carried. Mainly a gas mask weighs down the pants. And the pants are not your old law enforcement style. They are called BDU's. And you should pick up Law & Order magazine. Those pants won best uniform the year they came out. And by the way, Galls now sells the NYPD BDU's due to demand. And your idea of unprofessional is what shows a thug who is the rookie and who is the seasoned veteran.

As I walked through Penn Station, the AMTRAK cops had more of an executive appearance than the NYPD officers.

If you want to be an executive, go work on Wall Street. And not putting down Amtrak cops, but they are IN the station, do not carry the gear a NYPD cop does. They also do not respond to 911 calls like a NYPD cop does. More of a customer service and keep the vagrants moving position.

This is to no fault of the brave NYPD officers but to the establishment.

Wow! You figured that out by yourself? The management picks the uniform? You definitely need to forget about the NYPD with those skills. You sound more like FBI material.

New Yorkers wont notice this (or probably even care) but having lived in Boston, in NYC, and traveled to numerous of ther states. There is a noticable difference.

And when you go to Boston and those other places, just ask if they care what NYPD cops look like. On 9/11 I worked next to officers from all over the United States. And not once has any of us discussed our uniforms.

Secondly, The pay they offer the officers is cruel and unusual and DOES NOT match cost of living. With a city that requires you to pay 8% Sales tax, Federal Tax, State Tax, a separate City Tax, anything under $50k seems to tap the poverty line. I couldn't imagine if they passed the "conjestion pricing".

Its not a 8% city tax...its part state tax (4%) and part city tax (4.375%). NY. That tax of 4.375% is what pays for the cops, stations, equipment, etc... And MA has a similar tax. Its 5% there. So you are only looking at a 3.375% difference. And since Boston is supporting a population of 590K, and NY is supporting a population of 8,214,426 (about 14 times larger than Boston), you can see why more money is needed.

Well welcome to the NYPD where we're willing to start you off at roughly $9.11 an hour in the academy and $11.66/hr. after the academy with a 35hrs a month OT cap. Thats great when a decent apt will run you about $1,500-$2,000 a month which DOESNT include a car note (if you have a car), car insurance, utilities, food, creditcards, clothing, any loans you may have, and payroll deductions if you dare to have medical or dental insurance.

Car- not necessary in NY...luxery item!
Utilities/Food- make your own food and eat in!
Credit Cards- next time only buy what you can afford and pay cash. Save.
Clothing- see credit cards!
Loans- only loan a responsible 22 year old should have is a car or student.
Medical- free in the NYPD
Dental- free (part of union dues)
Guess if you were more financially responsible, like the 200,000 others who have been hired and passed the academy, you too could have joined the ranks. .

Have kids? Forget about it. I hope your wife/husband has a great job. Imagine getting paid $11hr to walk a beat, get assaulted, disrespected, and try to control the zoo which is NYC.

By the way, you don't TRY to control the zoo. You actually control it. Its called policing.

After 5 years you will get that 60k salary which is not all that bad. Four years of living a small studio in a suspect neighborhood and eating Ramen Noodles and drinking KoolAid while having walked 8,000+ miles drowns out the appeal of a $60k payday.

Well then we all see what you want, the golden spoon. God forbid you actually learn how to be a cop and EARN the job.

30% of that will go to taxes anyway and 25% of that salary will go out to paying for your unanticipated divorce that occurred two years ago.

Guess you also need help trying to figure out who to marry.

Thirdly, its hyper dangerous. Police Work by default is dangerous business but NYC is its own beast. NYC has a population of roughly 8,000,000. It is also a racially self-segregated city. A liberal city. Riots, terrorism, gang violence, hate crimes, child abuse, murder, rape, domestic violence, racism, protest, illegal immigration, death, sexism, white collar crime, housing projects, innocent victims, street crime, guns, robbery, harassment, muggings, organized crime, socialism, burgulary, auto theft, tourism, suicide. It happens in NYC, 10 fold.

You are nothing more than a COWARD. You my friend are looking at the wrong line of work. And what you state is the exact reason that a NYPD cop with 5 years on has seen more than most others in 20 years. And that is why they respected and known throughout the world. Its not what they, because all cops do the same job. Its the fact that NYPD folks do it in the environment they do, and the volume they do. Take your coward rear exit stage right.

What's the moral of the story? Think! Before you decide to work in the concrete jungle that is NYC and join the ranks of the NYPD. Do your research and be absolutely SURE that you are prepared for the career life of a NYPD officer. If nothing that I've mentioned above strikes you. Then YOU are the ideal candidate the NYPD is looking for.

Thanks for the tips you braveless, cowardly poor excuse for a police candidate.

Anyone have the golden spoon? We have somebody here who wants to look "executive" like, have police powers, do such in a small city, have no nightstick, wants a laptop in his car, wants a police radio only in his car, wants a gun and not other gear that weighs down his belt, wants a wife to guarantee she will not divorce him and does not want to deal with any riots, terrorism, gang violence, hate crimes, child abuse, murder, rape, domestic violence, racism, protest, illegal immigration, death, sexism, white collar crime, housing projects, innocent victims, street crime, guns, robbery, harassment, muggings, organized crime, socialism, burglary, auto theft, tourism, suicide, and do all this for at least $75,000.

Anyone know of an agency taking applications for such? I have an idea, try applying to the FFDO program or Bureau. Sounds like both would fit like a glove!

[CPDlife4ME]

You made ME feel bad Joey, and I didn't even do anything!:D

As for you Boston, a wise man once told me "think before you speak", or in your case, type. ;)

[Petertherock]

How about cause you are a from this hole called Boston and we are from the greatest city the world, home of the Yankees!

Yankees suck!! Boston owns the Yank-me's!! Hankie Steinbrenner is the biggest jackass in the world. He wants criminal charges filed against the contractor who buried the Red Sox jersey at the new Yank-me stadium!! LMAO!! Yeah, what's the charge? Also, it wouldn't have cost the Yankees anything if they had just left the shirt there. I am sure that shirt isn't the only thing those guys buried in the ground. Maybe Jimmy Hoffa is buried there too...but he's at Giants stadium lol!

Hankie is the only one that should be charged criminally for having a bunch of losers on his team and getting rid of the only good thing about the Yank-me's and that's Joe Torre.

As for the rest of your post..I agree with you 100% and the OP is an insult to people from Boston. A lot of people would love to work for NYPD regardless of all the "problems."

[greenhead]

I'm getting the popcorn.............
IBTL

[Boston911]

How about cause you are a from this hole called Boston and we are from the greatest city the world, home of the Yankees!

Wrong. RedSox > Yankees.....Patriots > Giants...


Then you did not look very hard. Only cars without laptops are fleet vehicles, loaners and those nearing retirement.

So you're saying 98% of cars?


Uh...every police department has handheld. I am now a fed and have a handheld! As for the cars not having radios, they don't need them. Since each cop has a radio on his belt, why would he/she need one in the car too? Its called a economical approach. This is NYC where there is lots of crime and real life thugs. So rather than a have a police radio sitting in a police car (which is usually empty cause the cops are inside handling a call) that can be quickly and easily stolen and later used by a perp, you remove it so it can't be stolen.

Most cops have shoulder attachments connected to their handheld so they dont have to hand-hold. A couple NYPD cops had em but the majority didnt. I assume this is a cost that the officer must personally expense. Shocking. BTW, most cruisers are equiped with radios, laptops, GPS units. There not luxuries, they're necessities. A car-radio in case a battery dies or in case a cop has to use it as a weapon or it breaks if Im in a tussle and I fall on it. GPS unit so the dept can track my cruiser and know that im ok. A laptop to run perps and plates so the officer knows who he is dealing with before he deals with them. One must be a pretty wreckless criminal to jack a patrol car. The LAPD utilizes these, why not NYPD.


The belts sag with all the gear. Compare a NYPD cops belt with other departments. There is a difference in equipment carried. Mainly a gas mask weighs down the pants. And the pants are not your old law enforcement style. They are called BDU's. And you should pick up Law & Order magazine. Those pants won best uniform the year they came out. And by the way, Galls now sells the NYPD BDU's due to demand. And your idea of unprofessional is what shows a thug who is the rookie and who is the seasoned veteran.

Beat cops dont wear BDU's. Gas mask is something that should be in the trunk of a crusier not on a duty belt.


Wow! You figured that out by yourself? The management picks the uniform? You definitely need to forget about the NYPD with those skills. You sound more like FBI material.

Perhaps

And when you go to Boston and those other places, just ask if they care what NYPD cops look like. On 9/11 I worked next to officers from all over the United States. And not once has any of us discussed our uniforms.

Its not general. Many of the guys looked trim and proper. The ESU guys looked trim and proper. The subways and walking cops, not so much. You'd be surprised how 'executive presence = respect.


Car- not necessary in NY...luxery item!
Utilities/Food- make your own food and eat in!
Credit Cards- next time only buy what you can afford and pay cash. Save.
Clothing- see credit cards!
Loans- only loan a responsible 22 year old should have is a car or student.
Medical- free in the NYPD
Dental- free (part of union dues)
Guess if you were more financially responsible, like the 200,000 others who have been hired and passed the academy, you too could have joined the ranks.

Car? Necessary if you live outside of Manhattan. CreditCards? Necessary if you want to ever book a hotel, rent a car, travel, etc. Loans? I agree. Union Dues? cost probably = the same as paying for private med and dental.


By the way, you don't TRY to control the zoo. You actually control it. Its called policing.

right

Well then we all see what you want, the golden spoon. God forbid you actually learn how to be a cop and EARN the job.

I just want to be safe while doing the job. Too much to ask for?


Guess you also need help trying to figure out who to marry.

Not until 5 years in when I can actually afford to go out on a date.


You are nothing more than a COWARD. You my friend are looking at the wrong line of work. And what you state is the exact reason that a NYPD cop with 5 years on has seen more than most others in 20 years. And that is why they respected and known throughout the world. Its not what they, because all cops do the same job. Its the fact that NYPD folks do it in the environment they do, and the volume they do. Take your coward rear exit stage right.



Thanks for the tips you braveless, cowardly poor excuse for a police candidate.

Anyone have the golden spoon? We have somebody here who wants to look "executive" like, have police powers, do such in a small city, have no nightstick, wants a laptop in his car, wants a police radio only in his car, and a GPS unit, wants a gun and not other gear that weighs down his belt, handcuffs would be nice wants a wife to guarantee she will not divorce him and does not want to deal with any riots, terrorism, gang violence, hate crimes, child abuse, murder, rape, domestic violence, racism, protest, illegal immigration, death, sexism, white collar crime, housing projects, innocent victims, street crime, guns, robbery, harassment, muggings, organized crime, socialism, burglary, auto theft, tourism, suicide, and do all this for at least $75,000.

Anyone know of an agency taking applications for such? I have an idea, try applying to the FFDO program or Bureau. Sounds like both would fit like a glove!

[4goods]

I'm getting the popcorn.............
IBTL

Hey green, a little extra butter please! And shhhh....don't tell Switch whats goin' on. You remember what Norm called him. :D:D We don't want this one shut down so fast!!!

[greenhead]

Hey green, a little extra butter please! And shhhh....don't tell Switch whats goin' on. You remember what Norm called him. :D:D We don't want this one shut down so fast!!!

(lurks as she types ) I will pass you some more butter. Do you want a beer? It's 5 o'clock somewhere. ;)

[cobravenom1]

Hey, if he came here to CA. He could start his own transit service. Then he could designate himself as a PO/Special Agent with full LE powers (after putting himself through an academy of course). After doing all that, he could set his own salary and buy himself all the waa-zooo cars/equipment he wants at the business' expense of course.

Obviously looking into the wrong line of work and watching too much futuristic COP shows. I have never heard of any agency that has all of what you are expecting straight out of the gate. I had to buy my own GPS, laptop, taser, and numerous other things to do my job to the best of my ability. Of course, you don't really need anything but the basics to be a good LEO anywhere.

As far as pay, good luck finding a department where you get paid what you are worth. The hours suck and and the conditions are bad no matter where you go if you want to work a big city or well populated area. It's all about why you want to do the job. If it's for the money, go put in your time in a medical profession program and make all the money you want. Or better yet, take the easy route and become a professional criminal. I've seen their homes, cars, girls, and money. Sooo much excess. Sooo want to catch them slippin.

You got options too. Micky D's has an outstanding managerial program.:p:D

[4goods]

(lurks as she types ) I will pass you some more butter. Do you want a beer? It's 5 o'clock somewhere. ;)

You're the bomb! Bud Light if you've got an extra one OR TWO!!!:D:D

[Mr. Peanut]

blah blah blah

You know that saying about being in a hole and continuing to dig? Well, actually, you're in so deep of a hole, I guess you might as well keep digging. Your best bet is to try and come out in China.

I saw this thread and knew I could come back later to see some verbal ownage. Joeyd6 did not disappoint.

[greenhead]

You're the bomb! Bud Light if you've got an extra one OR TWO!!!:D:D

It's on the way. ;)

Boston, many officers have to pay for the tools that help them do their jobs. I wish you luck finding that perfect dept. I don't think it was a great idea to come on here slamming NYPD. Sure it's not perfect but show me one that is. AND that is one of the finest depts in the world with some very outstanding officers. You're probably better off in another career.

[mckenna913]

How about cause you are a from this hole called Boston and we are from the greatest city the world, home of the Yankees!

Wrong. RedSox > Yankees.....Patriots > Giants...

Wrong Again..

Then you did not look very hard. Only cars without laptops are fleet vehicles, loaners and those nearing retirement.

So you're saying 98% of cars?

...and again..

Uh...every police department has handheld. I am now a fed and have a handheld! As for the cars not having radios, they don't need them. Since each cop has a radio on his belt, why would he/she need one in the car too? Its called a economical approach. This is NYC where there is lots of crime and real life thugs. So rather than a have a police radio sitting in a police car (which is usually empty cause the cops are inside handling a call) that can be quickly and easily stolen and later used by a perp, you remove it so it can't be stolen.

Most cops have shoulder attachments connected to their handheld so they dont have to hand-hold. A couple NYPD cops had em but the majority didnt. I assume this is a cost that the officer must personally expense. Shocking. BTW, most cruisers are equiped with radios, laptops, GPS units. There not luxuries, they're necessities. A car-radio in case a battery dies or in case a cop has to use it as a weapon or it breaks if Im in a tussle and I fall on it. GPS unit so the dept can track my cruiser and know that im ok. A laptop to run perps and plates so the officer knows who he is dealing with before he deals with them. One must be a pretty wreckless criminal to jack a patrol car. The LAPD utilizes these, why not NYPD.


Why have GPS to track you? The bosses do that just fine, along with your partner whose batteries NEVER die, and the other 40,000 cops who have your back...were not the LAPD, they do their job well with the tools they have and likewise were the NYPD and we do a damn good job with what we have.

The belts sag with all the gear. Compare a NYPD cops belt with other departments. There is a difference in equipment carried. Mainly a gas mask weighs down the pants. And the pants are not your old law enforcement style. They are called BDU's. And you should pick up Law & Order magazine. Those pants won best uniform the year they came out. And by the way, Galls now sells the NYPD BDU's due to demand. And your idea of unprofessional is what shows a thug who is the rookie and who is the seasoned veteran.

Beat cops dont wear BDU's. Gas mask is something that should be in the trunk of a crusier not on a duty belt.

The only cops not wearing BDU's are doing it by personal choice or working at a desk

Wow! You figured that out by yourself? The management picks the uniform? You definitely need to forget about the NYPD with those skills. You sound more like FBI material.

Perhaps


sarcasm dude...maybe heard of it?

And when you go to Boston and those other places, just ask if they care what NYPD cops look like. On 9/11 I worked next to officers from all over the United States. And not once has any of us discussed our uniforms.

Its not general. Many of the guys looked trim and proper. The ESU guys looked trim and proper. The subways and walking cops, not so much. You'd be surprised how 'executive presence = respect.


You just said the BDU's look sloppy yet the ESU guys wear a very distinct looking uniform that is COMPLETELY BDU based, cloth nametapes, BDU pants, and baseball caps...come on guy


Car- not necessary in NY...luxery item!
Utilities/Food- make your own food and eat in!
Credit Cards- next time only buy what you can afford and pay cash. Save.
Clothing- see credit cards!
Loans- only loan a responsible 22 year old should have is a car or student.
Medical- free in the NYPD
Dental- free (part of union dues)
Guess if you were more financially responsible, like the 200,000 others who have been hired and passed the academy, you too could have joined the ranks.

Car? Necessary if you live outside of Manhattan. CreditCards? Necessary if you want to ever book a hotel, rent a car, travel, etc. Loans? I agree. Union Dues? cost probably = the same as paying for private med and dental.


Public transportation is excellent anywhere in the tri state area, people who work on wall street live in Jersey, CT, upstate and Long island and manage, so I am sure cops can too...union dues are necessary, they cover dental, vision, legal and a variety of other NECESSARY services to take care of you and your family

By the way, you don't TRY to control the zoo. You actually control it. Its called policing.

right


Go screw around on a NYPD cops post and see how quick that answer changes.

Well then we all see what you want, the golden spoon. God forbid you actually learn how to be a cop and EARN the job.

I just want to be safe while doing the job. Too much to ask for?


Absolutely not, every cop wants that for themselves and their fellow officers. Our families and the general public wants it as well, which is exactly why we carry all that unprofessional looking gear and pay our useless union dues.


Guess you also need help trying to figure out who to marry.

Not until 5 years in when I can actually afford to go out on a date.

Central park is free and there are more affordable and fun things to do in NYC than you can imagine

You are nothing more than a COWARD. You my friend are looking at the wrong line of work. And what you state is the exact reason that a NYPD cop with 5 years on has seen more than most others in 20 years. And that is why they respected and known throughout the world. Its not what they, because all cops do the same job. Its the fact that NYPD folks do it in the environment they do, and the volume they do. Take your coward rear exit stage right.



Thanks for the tips you braveless, cowardly poor excuse for a police candidate.

Anyone have the golden spoon? We have somebody here who wants to look "executive" like, have police powers, do such in a small city, have no nightstick, wants a laptop in his car, wants a police radio only in his car, and a GPS unit, wants a gun and not other gear that weighs down his belt, handcuffs would be nice wants a wife to guarantee she will not divorce him and does not want to deal with any riots, terrorism, gang violence, hate crimes, child abuse, murder, rape, domestic violence, racism, protest, illegal immigration, death, sexism, white collar crime, housing projects, innocent victims, street crime, guns, robbery, harassment, muggings, organized crime, socialism, burglary, auto theft, tourism, suicide, and do all this for at least $75,000.

Anyone know of an agency taking applications for such? I have an idea, try applying to the FFDO program or Bureau. Sounds like both would fit like a glove!

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[Taz_bb2]