DYK: Break a cane over an officers head at a hospital, and you can get off with it...

[Taz_bb2]

Why is everyone calling the guy who defended these people a know it all? The officers job is to protect and serve, not deny a them a wheelchair.

The officer said on camera he was pulling her over was for failure to use a turn signal and loud exhaust on her vehicle. She was on her way to a hospital. Even if the officers didn't know that, why did he not try to let the man in the car get help?

If the car was nicer and the people inside were white, I don't think the officer would have prevented them from getting a wheelchair. I am making that judgment because it's insane how combative and inappropriate that officer was acting. If cops did this in Portland, OR there would be serious reprimands for the officer.

Assuming they don't have adequate insurance an ambulance ride can be expensive. Whether or not this was the case is irrelevant; these were citizens requiring medical attention who were pulled over for poor reasons. She wasn't even speeding!

I am glad that the man wasn't sent to jail. Even though what he did was extremely poor in judgment, the officer showed a racist and bigoted side of himself that day.

First, it's idiots like you that keep racism alive and well in this country. Anytime someone is doing their as proscribed by law, mandates, and the public, someone, inevitably know-it-all Monday-Morning-Quarterbacks like you, scream racism. You lack the intestinal fortitude and intellectual wherewithal to argue the points on legal positions, so you resort to pulling the race card. You want to play it, contact Al Sharpton. I hear he plays a game every five minutes, and the table is always welcome for people like you.

Second, "poor reason" is NOT justification for breaking the law. The two infractions he pulled her over for ARE VALID VIOLATIONS OF THE LAW. There is no caveat to the law in regards to whether or not it is a poor reason or ticky tack stop. Don't like it, call your city council representative or State Legislator to change the law. You do NOT have the right to refuse to stop for a law enforcement officer or resist them in any way because you think, in your infinitesimal MMQ (Monday-Morning-Quarterback) opinion that it was a poor reason.

Third, have you ever stopped to think (sorry, I know this may be a stretch for you) to realize that while he was being "a kinder, gentler, caring servant" and fetching a wheelchair for her, that she could have gone back to the van and retrieved a gun, then while he was being ever-so-helpful, capped him in the head? Oh wait, you are a civilian that isn't trained to keep things like this in the back of your mind. :rolleyes: We have to think about people doing sh&t like this, and take that into consideration in the .05 nano-seconds that we have to make a decision on how to handle a situation. I don't expect you to understand this concept, so I'll quit talking to a brick wall.

The Officer showed WAYYYYYYYYY more restraint than I would have. Injured or not, medical emergency or not, you strike me with ANYTHING, and you WILL end up in the hospital.

[landoverbaptist]

First, it's idiots like you that keep racism alive and well in this country.

No, it's subconscious assumptions people make about other people that keeps racism alive. Everyone is a little racist; it's a human trait that needs to be acknowledged and dealt with on a personal basis. When you work for the public, the need for it to be dealt with and recognized is critical to the wellbeing of society.

Anytime someone is doing their as proscribed by law, mandates, and the public, someone, inevitably know-it-all Monday-Morning-Quarterbacks like you, scream racism. You lack the intestinal fortitude and intellectual wherewithal to argue the points on legal positions, so you resort to pulling the race card.

Being critical of an officers actions isn't a cardinal sin. The real judgement is done in the courtroom, as we saw in this case. I didn't resort to anything because this isn't us attacking each others opinions.

Second, "poor reason" is NOT justification for breaking the law. The two infractions he pulled her over for ARE VALID VIOLATIONS OF THE LAW. There is no caveat to the law in regards to whether or not it is a poor reason or ticky tack stop.

Absolutely. I agree with you completely. She broke the law, he broke the law, the officer was trying to uphold the law. The way in which he did and the attitude of the officer is what I have a problem with.

Third, have you ever stopped to think (sorry, I know this may be a stretch for you) to realize that while he was being "a kinder, gentler, caring servant" and fetching a wheelchair for her, that she could have gone back to the van and retrieved a gun, then while he was being ever-so-helpful, capped him in the head?

It's possible. That's one reason why an officers job is so hard. Considering they were pulling up to an emergency entrance at a hospital lends some leeway in favor of treating the situation like an emergency instead of a traffic stop.

The Officer showed WAYYYYYYYYY more restraint than I would have. Injured or not, medical emergency or not, you strike me with ANYTHING, and you WILL end up in the hospital.

I am thankful you are out there on the streets, keeping my neighborhood safe. Thank you. I really mean that. There is more than one way to handle an unusual traffic stop. Not budging on a wheelchair request when the suspect just pulled into a hospital may have been acceptable to the books, but can destroy the foundation of what it means to be a cop to the person on the other side. An example would have been telling the suspect to get back in the car and then asking the occupant if he is ok. That would have produced rapport with both subjects, cooling the situation down while maintaining a safe distance.

[Taz_bb2]

No, it's subconscious assumptions people make about other people that keeps racism alive.

Which you have done assuming that the Officer was racist in his reactions. He wasn't. He was following policy, of which you haven't a clue of unless you are a LEO.

Being critical of an officers actions isn't a cardinal sin. The real judgement is done in the courtroom, as we saw in this case. I didn't resort to anything because this isn't us attacking each others opinions.

And so it was...She noted that the jury was not allowed to consider a “self-defense” defense in the resisting and obstructing charge because higher courts have held that a person may not resist police even if the officer’s actions are unlawful. Clearly, the courts found that the Officer handled the call properly and further solidified the fact that when an Officer tells you to do something, you do it. By doing so, you will find a quick resolution. Attitude exasperates the stop, leading to what happened here.

Absolutely. I agree with you completely. She broke the law, he broke the law, the officer was trying to uphold the law. The way in which he did and the attitude of the officer is what I have a problem with.

He was attempting to gain control of the situation, and the driver was impeding his investigation by not cooperating. She refused to listen to lawful commands that would have resulted in the "cane basher" getting into the ER as quickly as possible.

It's possible. That's one reason why an officers job is so hard. Considering they were pulling up to an emergency entrance at a hospital lends some leeway in favor of treating the situation like an emergency instead of a traffic stop.

Obviously, you have never been on a ride-a-long and witnessed the lengths that criminals will go to in order to get out of a ticket or going to jail. How do you tell when a lawyer is lying? His mouth is moving. Ever wonder why lawyers and criminals are often described in the same sentence?

An example would have been telling the suspect to get back in the car and then asking the occupant if he is ok. That would have produced rapport with both subjects, cooling the situation down while maintaining a safe distance.

Courts have ruled on, and fully support, the reasonable objectiveness rule. It is based on the facts AT THE TIME of the incident, not in hindsight. It's easy to MMQ if you weren't there nor have ever been placed in that situation.

Tactically, letting someone back in their vehicle after a traffic stop is a bad idea, which is probably why he didn't.

[Hockey9019]

I hate to bring up my own thread but....


He may of got off of the assault charge, but he got prison time for resisting arrest :D :D :D

Jurors cleared a man of attacking a police officer with a cane in Emmet County, but he'll still spend more than a year in prison.

The incident happened in September when officers pulled over the man's wife near Northern Michigan Hospital in Petoskey.

Police say Reggie Burks got out of the car and hit an officer over the head with his cane after his wife refused to hand over her driver's license.

Jurors cleared him of assault, but found him guilty of resisting arrest. A judge sentenced Burks to serve 16 months to 15 years in prison.

http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=130628

I guess Michigan's judicial system has worked for once

[Whitebear]

Honestly, the officer could have gotten medical personnel out with a wheelchair, and then dealt with the woman. He had no idea what was wrong (if anything) with the guy, but should have done that first off.

Obviously, the cane over the head was assault and wrong, but it really didnt phase the officer as shown in the video.

"If it was truly an emergency, you would call 911 for an ambulance"

UM...not necessarily. You know, people dont always call for an ambulance because of the high costs just to take someone to the hospital.

I cut my foot open with an axe on accident, about a 2.5" gash in my foot. Did we call an ambulance? No. I was driven to the hospital by some friends. Saved about $5,000 in fees. You cannot say that if it were an emergency they would have called 911.

That big dumb lady got pulled over and there is more than 95% of chances that she knew that there was an hospital near the location she was. She just tried to play the hospital card because there was one right beside where she was......


but you know what? the way you are thinking is probably the reason why we are verified LEO here and that YOU are not... You will tell me that teh only reason why you are not Verified is because youa re not LEO but it's the same thing, that's why you are not LEO!

[Hockey9019]

That big dumb lady got pulled over and there is more than 95% of chances that she knew that there was an hospital near the location she was. She just tried to play the hospital card because there was one right beside where she was......


but you know what? the way you are thinking is probably the reason why we are verified LEO here and that YOU are not... You will tell me that teh only reason why you are not Verified is because youa re not LEO but it's the same thing, that's why you are not LEO!

Dude he posted that some time back :p


:D


Oh well

[JakeLock]

Hit me with anything and you will need medical care. Period. And he would've spent alot more than a year in prison here.

[JakeLock]

Absolutely. I agree with you completely. She broke the law, he broke the law, the officer was trying to uphold the law. The way in which he did and the attitude of the officer is what I have a problem with.

The attitude the officer had? He was extremely professional, never yelled at her or raised his voice. Oh he yelled after he got hit though.

It's possible. That's one reason why an officers job is so hard. Considering they were pulling up to an emergency entrance at a hospital lends some leeway in favor of treating the situation like an emergency instead of a traffic stop.

Do you have any idea how many people have tried to use that as an excuse? If you fail to yeild when I light you up, expect a felony stop. I don't care where we end up. When I know exactly what's going on and IF there really is an emergency then you will get the care you need.

I am thankful you are out there on the streets, keeping my neighborhood safe. Thank you. I really mean that. There is more than one way to handle an unusual traffic stop. Not budging on a wheelchair request when the suspect just pulled into a hospital may have been acceptable to the books, but can destroy the foundation of what it means to be a cop to the person on the other side. An example would have been telling the suspect to get back in the car and then asking the occupant if he is ok. That would have produced rapport with both subjects, cooling the situation down while maintaining a safe distance.

So how many years do you have in law enforcement that you know SO MUCH about how the public should be handled. Next you'll tell me that I shouldn't have yelled at the guy who tried to drive past my roadblock to his burning house. I have serious doubts that you know anything about what it means to be a cop.

[CelticSmackdown]

ibtl

[Hockey9019]

ibtl

Why? The idiot posts that were made earlier have nothing to do now....:rolleyes:

[GrahamX05]

Why? The idiot posts that were made earlier have nothing to do now....:rolleyes:

It's because you made the post!!:D



I did see, that the scumbag got prison time......should be more than a year though IMHO!

[Hockey9019]

I'm happy for him to get at least that. Knowing how its been lately...