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    Ok guys fwiw, I am keeping this low key, I only brought this up to my supervision to CMOA if he was serious about making my career a living hell. I want my name on as few pieces of paper the BI would possibly see, so I will drop this unless he takes futher aggression against something of mine. But I don't see that happening to be honest.

    The guy came back apolgized, shook my hand, and we chatted for a while. He brought up a great point, he said he didn't throw the egg, he wouldn't do anything illegal. His exact words were "I've been in the military 20 years, that didn't happen by being stupid.

    I was very respectful (except the horn honking) throughout the whole altercation. I keep my cool very well, he didn't, but at least he came to be a man about it after everything was said and done. I hope I didn't come off being non-professional in the matter.

    And about the kids throwing the eggs, yes highly possible. It was just the attitude and show of character during our first meeting which gave me a good impression he is capabile of throwing an egg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMMO22 View Post
    Ok guys fwiw, I am keeping this low key, I only brought this up to my supervision to CMOA if he was serious about making my career a living hell. I want my name on as few pieces of paper the BI would possibly see, so I will drop this unless he takes futher aggression against something of mine. But I don't see that happening to be honest.

    The guy came back apolgized, shook my hand, and we chatted for a while. He brought up a great point, he said he didn't throw the egg, he wouldn't do anything illegal. His exact words were "I've been in the military 20 years, that didn't happen by being stupid.

    I was very respectful (except the horn honking) throughout the whole altercation. I keep my cool very well, he didn't, but at least he came to be a man about it after everything was said and done. I hope I didn't come off being non-professional in the matter.

    And about the kids throwing the eggs, yes highly possible. It was just the attitude and show of character during our first meeting which gave me a good impression he is capabile of throwing an egg.

    Happy everything worked out...good job keeping your cool, being respectful and resolving something that could've turned into a bigger issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMMO22 View Post
    About 2 months ago a new military family moved onto our street, in a corner house by the major road that runs by our neighborhood. At first they seemed quite and polite, so I was happy to finally get some good folks on our block.

    Shortly after, the daugther (highschooler) starts parking her car in the turn off the major street onto our residential street. I asked politely one morning when I saw her leaving for school if she could park a little futher down from the intersection, she complied for a few days. Later that week, while I was making my laps with my dog through the neighborhood, they were parked there again and had just gotten out of the car, so again very nicely I informed them that is illegal to park that close to any intersection (30ft to be exact). Their response was the cops haven't said anything about it yet. Later the whole family came to my house where I was working with my dog in the driveway and got really smart and upset about me talking to the kids about the car. So after I told him it was dangerous for people making that turn, he said "fine" and had he son park the car in front of my house on the street which is about 70 yards away from their house (on an empty street). I said "thats perfect, I appricate it" and went inside.

    Well they started parking there again 2 days later, so when I make that turn, I as well as other people on the street honk the horn as we go by. So 2 days ago the fater came to my house with a sleeveless shirt, ac/dc hat, and conferderate tattoo on his right arm. He first said he had letters with my name on them talking about how bad his satillite dish looks mounted to a pole stuck in a bucket of cement in his front yard. I said "really?, whats my name then" he said gary something, I said wrong. Well then he said I "f^$&'d with the wrong person" he went on to say "i've been in the military 20 years so I have nothing to loose, you want to F%& with me at home, I'll make your military career a living hell" I was thinking what a wierdo, but thought I should report it to Tucson PD.

    After a while the officer showed up, took my statement and said it sounds like your handling it very maturely minus the horn honking. She went down to inform him of the parking law and to leave me alone. He told her "i looked the law up on the internet and it said it was legal" perfect answer huh? She showed him in in the book it was illegal. He told her it wouldn't happen again and to tell me he would be down in a couple days to shake my hand. I told the officer I'm sorry for having to pull her out here for something so pidly.

    Sometime after the officer left my truck was egged. Guess who did it? The same guy who wants to shake my hand, only thing is I didn't see him do it. Its a shame people take stuff out on other peoples property which is defenseless. And this guy is an Air Force officer at that.

    What are my options on fighting this? Should I get the military involved in this? Commanders, OSI?? Never been involved in this one before, just looking for some guidance. Thanks in advance folks.
    Well my first reaction would say get him back with syrup...:rolleyes: but thats not a very good idea
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    I can kind of see where you could politely mention to someone that they are violating the traffic laws BUT your furtherance of informing/advising/telling people that they are doing some sort of illegal behaviour when you are not a police officer was not a good idea.

    If it bothered you that much , why didn't you call in and report an illegally parked vehicle ? I think a parking ticket ( ours are $10) would have saved YOU a ton of aggravation and grief.

    Since you have to live there and this incident appears to be behind you ... get on with your life.
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    I'm going to go out in the other direction and say that he is probably not the one egging your car. It doesn't sound like he has any problem with confrontation, while egging someone's car is much more indicative of someone who does.

    He sounds like the kind of guy who would do it with you standing there, if at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Group9 View Post
    I'm going to go out in the other direction and say that he is probably not the one egging your car. It doesn't sound like he has any problem with confrontation, while egging someone's car is much more indicative of someone who does.

    He sounds like the kind of guy who would do it with you standing there, if at all.
    Big huge ditto and Amen on that, Group.

    This goes from a quiet well behaved family moving in, to a teenage girl allegedly parking too close to a intersection. It then escalates into a neighbor confronting the teenage girl. From there, and who knows what the girl told the father and whether she herself exaggerated the confrontation, but it boils over to the father confronting the neighbor and accusing the neighbor of circulating a letter concerning a friggen satellite dish. Now, this neighbor has already circulated a letter around the neighborhood (as mentioned in a previous post) so it would seem logical the officer would suspect him as the author of the satellite letter. I image there was also some mention of "You speak to me if you have an issue with my daughter and I will handle it."

    Now, if the officer made the "threatening" comments about making military life miserable for the neighbor, this in and of itself is misconduct. However, if this officer did not have direct supervision of this airman, I would assume there would be difficulty in carrying out this "threat."

    The father does have the teenage boy move the car, and there is peace for a couple of days. Then, the daughter reportedly begins parking the car close to the intersection, again. This causes a response of neighbors honking their car horns every time they pass the officer's home. (Just how did other neighbors get involved in this? Was there talk about how they are going to get this families attention? A call to arms??) Now, a well written police report could have justified submitting criminal charges against the horn honkers for disorderly conduct and/or harassment, but he does not take it to this level.

    But, the airman's car gets egged. Group 9 is right on the money, and any experienced investigator (or for that matter, anyone with common sense) would immediately suspect this to be the tactics of a juvenile. Besides that, there is no evidence to support that the officer or his children did this. It could have been friend's of the officer's kids.

    The officer comes over to apologize after learning the airman did not author the letter. This IS the act of a man with character and since he did not display any shyness in adversarial contact, to assume this man grabbed some eggs from his fridge and threw them at the car just does not hold water upon careful reflection.

    It sounds to me like that residential area has a self proclaimed "block watch captain" who is going to make sure all the neighbors behave themselves. If this continues, there surely will be more confrontations on the horizon.

    As far as pushing this further with complaints to the Air Force administration…two old, tested and true sayings come to mind.

    "Sweep your own porch before you sweep your neighbor’s." And, "Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house."

    Let it go, Ammo. Pursuing it will certainly open the door to placing your actions under scrutiny.
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    Thanks for the recap. It has been let go. As far as the letter I questioned about sending in "ask-a-cop" ,they haven't been sent out yet. My name is not on it, and 2 people out of probably 60-65 homes know I typed it up.

    I can see his children pulling the egg stunt, it is a juvinile act in my opinion. But face to face, the officer was extremely nevervous, couldn't stand still and was stumbling on words. You guys back me up on this; anyone anywhere has seen, or known a person who can completely gain your respect and loyalty and without the blink of an eye, stab you in the back multiple times. Just because he confronted me a total of 3 times (in my opinion guys), doesn't rule him out as the poultry farmer.

    But as I said, I don't need/want any attention from either direction, Local PD or Military, so whats done is done, and no one was in any immidiate danger so I'll leave it at that. I appriciate the point of views and opinions on what happened. Thats why this country is what it is............GREAT!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AMMO22 View Post
    Thanks for the recap. It has been let go. As far as the letter I questioned about sending in "ask-a-cop" ,they haven't been sent out yet. My name is not on it, and 2 people out of probably 60-65 homes know I typed it up.

    I can see his children pulling the egg stunt, it is a juvinile act in my opinion. But face to face, the officer was extremely nevervous, couldn't stand still and was stumbling on words. You guys back me up on this; anyone anywhere has seen, or known a person who can completely gain your respect and loyalty and without the blink of an eye, stab you in the back multiple times. Just because he confronted me a total of 3 times (in my opinion guys), doesn't rule him out as the poultry farmer.

    But as I said, I don't need/want any attention from either direction, Local PD or Military, so whats done is done, and no one was in any immidiate danger so I'll leave it at that. I appriciate the point of views and opinions on what happened. Thats why this country is what it is............GREAT!!
    Hey, don't feel like you have to tell us why you don't agree with us. You asked for our opinions, based on our experience and we gave them. It doesn't hurt my feeling when someone doesn't take my advice. It happens on a regular basis at work.
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    No, please don't take it the wrong way. I appriciate reading your opinions. That is one thing I do not do, is critisize peoples opinions wether its politics or anything else for that matter. After all, I wouldn't know half of the things I know without listening to peoples opinions and advice. The only reason I posted is to get everyone's opinion. I'm hoping things weren't taken wrong. But it really is all over with the officer as far as I'm concerned. I have much much more important things that could be affected in the future (BI's) from blowing something like this out of preportion. I was just trying to get an idea of how to handle this one, and from what everyone has said, it will be best to let this one slide.
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