What's a BOLO?!

[scarlet_tunic]

Sometimes it's just wise to pick your battles, ya know?

(Sorry if this is a repost)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUMJL...elated&search=

[North Patrol]

2 things with that video clip bother me. 1. the officer could have just said that a "BOLO" means to be on the lookout for.... How hard would that have been. Yeah then he would probubly have found something else to argue with him about but maybe not. We will never know.

The 2nd thing is one of my biggest pet peeves. When an Officer pulls his weapon to intimidate the person knowing full well that he is not going to use it. The guy called his bluff and he ended up spraying him. Why didn't he pull his spray first? A firearm is only drawn to be used and only used to kill, sorry politicly correct, used to stop the aggression! Don't pull your weapon to try and bluff or scare the person into following your commands.

If you feel like bluffing play poker! Rant over.

[scarlet_tunic]

2 things with that video clip bother me. 1. the officer could have just said that a "BOLO" means to be on the lookout for.... How hard would that have been. Yeah then he would probubly have found something else to argue with him about but maybe not. We will never know.

The 2nd thing is one of my biggest pet peeves. When an Officer pulls his weapon to intimidate the person knowing full well that he is not going to use it. The guy called his bluff and he ended up spraying him. Why didn't he pull his spray first? A firearm is only drawn to be used and only used to kill, sorry politicly correct, used to stop the aggression! Don't pull your weapon to try and bluff or scare the person into following your commands.

If you feel like bluffing play poker! Rant over.

Being the armchair, non-verified, gonna-be, I agree with you (if that means anything). I did want to point out that he sort of did say what BOLO meant ("It means I was looking for your vehicle" or something to that extent). Course, the asshat in the SUV was pretty drunk and maybe didn't catch that, or just wanted to stall.

[North Patrol]

I agree with you, as the armchair quarterback we all seem pretty smart. Who knows maybe the officer felt like his life was in danger or he had ifo the we are not aware of. Like the report said he might have a weapon in the vehicle. Who knows. And more than likely anything the officer would have said would probubly have lead to another argument. Boy I love drunks!

[Coastie 585]

The 2nd thing is one of my biggest pet peeves. When an Officer pulls his weapon to intimidate the person knowing full well that he is not going to use it.

Another thing is that the Officer was not at deadly dorce. If that guy wanted to charge the officer the officer would not have been able to shoot the guy. The cop would have been screwed if anything had happened.

But as always, we don't know everything about the call, the suspects history, etc.

[Taxx]

Adding to the things that bother people about the video......1)It REALLY bothers me when officers (Police & Corrections) have their cuffs out before they have someone in control (CREST)...2) And as hit on before....pepper spray and a pistol? Hand in hand? Transference anyone?

[Twelve Volt Man]

Pointing your weapon at someone, when you have no legal justification to use it, is like threatening to arrest someone for something you can't arrest them for. When they call your bluff, you look like chump, and have lost any semblance of authority you previously had.

[MCSD]

Adding to the things that bother people about the video......1)It REALLY bothers me when officers (Police & Corrections) have their cuffs out before they have someone in control (CREST)...2) And as hit on before....pepper spray and a pistol? Hand in hand? Transference anyone?

+1

Itll be a cold day in hell before I have those cuffs out before I have a guy under control. Last thing I want is them snatching them out of my hand and using them as a weapon on me. I have seen some pretty BAD injuries stemming from some eone getting ahold of cuffs.
As for him having his side arm out and his spray? BIG no no. Exactly what you said Taxx, transference. You NEVER hold a discharge weapon (tazzer, OC, other Less Lethals) when you have your side arm drawn, just for that reason.

Now GRANTED, we do not know the facts behind the call, he could have had a weapon inn the vehicle, and it looked to me that the officer drew his weapon after the suspect went back to the car...... but as soon as he pulled the spray he should have had his weapon in his holster.........thats just how I was taught.

[DB839282]

Funny thing I noticed.

You're all saying the cop screwed up and in this incident the large majority of all the comments on that video are pro-police.

But when the video shows a cop doing everything right and by the book (usually the taser videos) the majority of the people always have anti-police things to say.

I guess it's not funny, but just more strange.

[ChesCopPodz]

The difference in that is this: the majority of people who have anti-police things to say about a taser incident are ignorant. Not necessarily stupid (although usually) but ignorant about how things like that work. We aren't.

[Taxx]

Funny thing I noticed.

You're all saying the cop screwed up and in this incident the large majority of all the comments on that video are pro-police.

But when the video shows a cop doing everything right and by the book (usually the taser videos) the majority of the people always have anti-police things to say.

I guess it's not funny, but just more strange.

As cops, I believe that we are allowed to scrutinize the tactics used by other police officers. Thus we must be prepared to receive criticism for our own actions. We are not all taught the same, but I would think that most of us are. The cop did not "screw up" as to say he didn't have a legal justification to arrest the subject. We were making points (armchair quarterbacking someone put it) about the tactics used to make the arrest. In my honest opinion the officer making the arrest didn't know what BOLO stood for. It was his back-up that arrived that told the arrestee what it meant. As far the arresting officer knew it just meant "DANGER MR. ROBINSON". Besides when you know that sh-- is hitting the fan, you start to do weird things and forget simple things. That is why you practice things until you don't have to think about them. Pulling my gun would not have been my first choice, but if I screwed up and pulled it out, I know I don't have to necessarily have to shoot him with it to get the desired results. Anyone heard of 'brace contact' DTs?

As far as the video commentary being pro police. They should be even if the cop isn't using the best tactics in our mind. Hell, when I watch geezer golf (the senior tour) I think those guys are fantastic, but my brother in-law, who is a better than scratch golfer, has all sorts of tidbits to say about their play.

[Mike Romeo]

Pointing your weapon at someone, when you have no legal justification to use it, is like threatening to arrest someone for something you can't arrest them for. When they call your bluff, you look like chump, and have lost any semblance of authority you previously had.

I've gone straight to OC or ASP if I felt that soft or hard empty hand techniques wouldn't work. I'm not one to stand there looking around and swing my arms back and forth, telegraphing a lack of confidence to a suspect either. And I'd definitely never turn my back on a suspect.

One drunk guy in particular I delt with Friday, December 8th of this year, charged at me yelling, "What are you gonna do, shoot me?" He was more than ready to fight me, and he managed to push me to the ground. He was about twice my size, so........ he went to jail with a case of red eye. He got charged with assaulting a police officer, resisting arrest, and drunk in public. Taunting him with a gun would have only wasted my time because I couldn't have legally used it.

Don't get me wrong, placing people at gunpoint is something I do on a pretty regular basis in the high crime area I patrol. But not just because they are intoxicated and not complying with verbal commands.

[DB839282]

As cops, I believe that we are allowed to scrutinize the tactics used by other police officers. Thus we must be prepared to receive criticism for our own actions. We are not all taught the same, but I would think that most of us are. The cop did not "screw up" as to say he didn't have a legal justification to arrest the subject. We were making points (armchair quarterbacking someone put it) about the tactics used to make the arrest. In my honest opinion the officer making the arrest didn't know what BOLO stood for. It was his back-up that arrived that told the arrestee what it meant. As far the arresting officer knew it just meant "DANGER MR. ROBINSON". Besides when you know that sh-- is hitting the fan, you start to do weird things and forget simple things. That is why you practice things until you don't have to think about them. Pulling my gun would not have been my first choice, but if I screwed up and pulled it out, I know I don't have to necessarily have to shoot him with it to get the desired results. Anyone heard of 'brace contact' DTs?

I didnt mean anything by it.

[Ken K]

I thought a bolo was a tie.

Specializing in Western Bolo Ties that are hand made with Sterling Silver and natural stones: Black Jade, Green Jade, Montana Moss Agate, Lapis, Turquoise and other stones. All of the Bolo Ties are signed by myself, "RLS3"

[hitnrun]

"I found out what a BOLO is! DAMN!"

:D

BWHAHAHAHHAHA....Good stuff.