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    Quote Originally Posted by oscarmitre View Post
    Slice it anyway you like, the problem here is the mandatory sentencing aspect. For mine mandatory sentencing, if it's in a statute, should be very, very limited in its application. This is plainly excessive.
    I have no problems with mandatory sentencing, actually.

    When you take the discretion out of sentencing, it reduces setencing disparities.

    This means less people of one particular group clamoring about how they get "harsher sentences" than members of another group.



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    maybe he had a script for 70 and changed it to 700 and was just planning on keepin the extra until he ran out or something like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeter4MVP2006 View Post
    maybe he had a script for 70 and changed it to 700 and was just planning on keepin the extra until he ran out or something like that
    Holy Crap :eek: I am sure nobody has thought of this! Especially the judge AND jury.

    It's this kind of astute analysis that is taught in our schools, colleges and universities that make me proud of our higher educational system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeter4MVP2006 View Post
    maybe he had a script for 70 and changed it to 700 and was just planning on keepin the extra until he ran out or something like that
    The logic behind that statement is not surprising - especially considering your choice for a username here ... :rolleyes:



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    Well I dont know about you guys, but when I go and buy paper towels, sometimes I get like a big *** 12 pack that will last me like 6 months. I dont need that many and I dont sell paper towels or anything.

    Maybe he was doing the same thing. Just getting a lot once so he doesnt have to get more every month.

    I say unless he was proven to sell them, give him a deal of 1 or 2 years in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeter4MVP2006 View Post
    Well I dont know about you guys, but when I go and buy paper towels, sometimes I get like a big *** 12 pack that will last me like 6 months. I dont need that many and I dont sell paper towels or anything.

    Maybe he was doing the same thing. Just getting a lot once so he doesnt have to get more every month.
    Last time I checked, paper towels aren't on the drug schedule and aren't controlled substances, and purchases of such aren't strictly controlled by our laws and monitored by government entities.

    Last time I checked, you didn't have to alter a doctor's prescription in order to "stock up" on paper towels.

    I say unless he was proven to sell them, give him a deal of 1 or 2 years in jail.
    There's a reason the crime is defined as "... possession with INTENT to sell or deliver ..." You don't HAVE to actually SELL them - it's a little concept called INTENT, which is very important to things like ... ohhh ... the definition of many types of CRIMES, perhaps. :rolleyes:

    Son, you need to take this quarter, get out of here, and go buy yourself a clue, because you have NO idea what you're talking about and you've more than worn out your welcome already ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeter4MVP2006 View Post
    Well I dont know about you guys, but when I go and buy paper towels, sometimes I get like a big *** 12 pack that will last me like 6 months. I dont need that many and I dont sell paper towels or anything.

    Maybe he was doing the same thing. Just getting a lot once so he doesnt have to get more every month.

    I say unless he was proven to sell them, give him a deal of 1 or 2 years in jail.
    You should write the Governor and the Judge in the case and explain this to them. They will probably overturn his conviction, or at the very least order a resentencing hearing. Instead of going into Law Enforcement, maybe you could be a defense attorney. You have some pretty good whiz-bang defenses here. I am sure a jury would not have convicted this guy if you had been in charge of his defense. I can see it now- your in a court room, giving closing remarks...

    you- "how many of you have ever gone out to Sam's Club and bought a big *** box of toilet paper? Now, you don't intend to buy that much so you can sell them do you? No. You are just stockpiling for the future, maybe you are going to eat at Dirty Sanchez's Taco and Burrito Bar, and you just want to have enough on hand, just in case.

    That is all my client was doing. Yes, he tampered with a prescription, but he just changed the 70 to 700 so he wouldn't have to go get them filled as often. So, unless the prosecution can prove he was going to sell them, you can only give him 1 or 2 years."

    jury- " Oh! why we will aquit him of all charges. You are the next Johnnie Cochran!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by shorty26 View Post
    You should write the Governor and the Judge in the case and explain this to them. They will probably overturn his conviction, or at the very least order a resentencing hearing. Instead of going into Law Enforcement, maybe you could be a defense attorney. You have some pretty good whiz-bang defenses here. I am sure a jury would not have convicted this guy if you had been in charge of his defense. I can see it now- your in a court room, giving closing remarks...

    you- "how many of you have ever gone out to Sam's Club and bought a big *** box of toilet paper? Now, you don't intend to buy that much so you can sell them do you? No. You are just stockpiling for the future, maybe you are going to eat at Dirty Sanchez's Taco and Burrito Bar, and you just want to have enough on hand, just in case.

    That is all my client was doing. Yes, he tampered with a prescription, but he just changed the 70 to 700 so he wouldn't have to go get them filled as often. So, unless the prosecution can prove he was going to sell them, you can only give him 1 or 2 years."

    jury- " Oh! why we will aquit him of all charges. You are the next Johnnie Cochran!"
    How long were you sitting there staring at the computer screen trying to think up that one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Six 5 View Post
    Take a deep breath, RO56, and remember: You can't fix stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeter4MVP2006 View Post
    Well I dont know about you guys, but when I go and buy paper towels, sometimes I get like a big *** 12 pack that will last me like 6 months. I dont need that many and I dont sell paper towels or anything.

    Maybe he was doing the same thing. Just getting a lot once so he doesnt have to get more every month.

    I say unless he was proven to sell them, give him a deal of 1 or 2 years in jail.
    If you want to be a cop and that is an example of your thought processes, the criminals are going to walk all over you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RO56 View Post
    I have no problems with mandatory sentencing, actually.

    When you take the discretion out of sentencing, it reduces setencing disparities.

    This means less people of one particular group clamoring about how they get "harsher sentences" than members of another group.
    My problem with mandatory sentencing is that it is a simplistic response to a complex problem and process. It was tried in one jurisdiction here and dumped as a failure because it didn't discriminate sufficiently. People who committed relatively minor offences had courts forced to impose plainly excessive sentences on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DB839282 View Post
    How long were you sitting there staring at the computer screen trying to think up that one?
    Not as long as you might think. Probably less time than it took to read. It kind of flowed. I am an aspiring writer. And I am in college, so that right there means I am quicker than most people. I got skills. And chicks only want a guy with skills.

    :D


    P.S. Sorry- I don't want to hijack the thread. I for one am ok with mandatory sentencing guidelines.
    Last edited by shorty26; 12-14-06 at 10:58 PM. Reason: needed to put in my 2 cents about the topic
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