The long and short of this is a teen gets carjacked in a parking lot. While driving off with his assailant in the passenger seat he crashes his vehicle into oncoming traffic hoping to a)save his life and b) hurt his carjacker.
My question is hypothetical....If the driver of the vehicle which he had crashed into would have died would the teen have been guilty of any relevant charges?
What should one do if they ever find themselves in this situation?
It's on CNN.com...i'm having trouble insert the link because it's a video.
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10-13-06 02:02 PM #1
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Teen crashes car to slam unbelted Carjacker
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10-13-06 02:05 PM #2
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In Texas the victim could be charged for driving into other traffic. You cannot endanger others to protect yourself.
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10-13-06 02:31 PM #3
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Here is the story:
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori....30e23d7c.html
Teen crashes car to escape kidnapper
05:58 PM PDT on Thursday, October 12, 2006
By DEBORAH FELDMAN / KING 5 News
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Kidnap victim describes ordeal
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FEDERAL WAY, Wash. - When two vehicles violently collided in Des Moines Sunday morning, police were surprised to learn the crash was intentional -- it was the only way for a young man to escape a kidnapper armed with a handgun.
“I don’t care about the pain as long as I’m alive," said 19-year-old Adrian Vallez, who's recovering from injuries at his Federal Way home.
With his face swollen and a broken jaw wired shut, Adrian said simply being able to tell his story is a blessing after a frightening hold-up and a car crash that puzzled police when they first arrived at the scene.
It all began around 9 a.m. Sunday when Adrian says a stranger approached him in a store parking lot and shoved a gun against his ribs.
"He said: ‘If you do what I say, then you will live,’" Adrian said.
The man ordered Adrian into the Chevy sedan he had just bought two weeks ago, telling him: ” We're going to go to the ATM and you're going to take out all your money."
Adrian drove to an ATM, but said the man got upset when it wasn't a drive-through, refusing to let him out of the car.
"He was saying: 'You're making me nervous, you're making me nervous, so don't try anything. Do you want to live? Do you want to live?'," Adrian recalled.
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Adrian decided that crashing the car was his best chance to escape his captor.
When a second ATM didn't meet the man's standards, Adrian said his kidnapper got angry.
"He put the gun to my head. So, he said that, he got really mad. And he said: ‘You're going to get it, you're going to get it. So he goes, ‘do you have anything in your trunk? And he was going to put me in the trunk.’"
Adrian said that's when he knew if he didn't escape he might die.
He waited for several cars to approach as he drove up Marine View Drive as he wanted to make sure there would be witnesses and people to help. Then accelerated to about 40-45 mph and swerved into an oncoming SUV, hoping to dislodge his captor.
"He wasn't wearing his seatbelt, so I knew if I crashed into something he would get hurt pretty bad," Adrian said, who had just recently learned how to drive.
He was right: the man was knocked out. Adrian ran out of the car, yelling to other drivers there was a man with a gun.
When Des Moines police responded, knowing the passenger had a handgun, they blew out the sedan's windows with beanbag rounds to get a better look. The suspect was unconscious, on the floor. Police quickly removed him and retrieved the gun from the front seat.
The elderly driver of the SUV was not badly injured and his vehicle had no damage to the body, though the collision sheared up part of the front.
Adrian said he feels terrible for the driver he hit, but insists crashing his car was the only way to survive.
"I’m sorry, but I had to what I had to do to live," he said.
No charges have been filed yet against the suspect because police said he is still hospitalized and unable to be interviewed.
I wouldn't care if they charged me. If someone got in my car I will admit that crashing into something is something I would probably think of doing (not another occupied car)Last edited by Hockey9019; 10-13-06 at 02:43 PM.
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10-13-06 02:34 PM #4
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That is one of the most hypothetically asinine hypothetical questions I've hypothetically heard in quite some hypthetical time ... :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by Sheafan
At what hypothetical point of your short and hypothetical life did someone tell you that it's hypothetically legal to hypothetically kill an innocent hypothetical person, just to hypothetically save your own hypothetical hide?
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10-13-06 02:37 PM #5
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A lamp post, or a telephone pole would do the same thing without endangering others. Considering the guy wasn't wearing his seat-belt, you also really don't need that violent of a collision I'm assuming.
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10-13-06 02:42 PM #6
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+Infinitie 1 Originally Posted by RO56
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10-13-06 03:51 PM #7
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I agree, hypothetically of course.;) Originally Posted by RO56
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10-13-06 03:51 PM #8
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What was wrong with Sheafan's question? He/she just wanted to know what the charges would have been if the driver of the other vehicle had been killed? :confused: Originally Posted by RO56
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10-13-06 04:36 PM #9
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R056 is just being a funny man, hypothetically speaking.
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10-13-06 04:38 PM #10
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Oh..........I must have missed that. ;) Originally Posted by madsnax
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10-13-06 04:57 PM #11
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+1 - The equivalent of shooting through a crowd to get someone pointing a gun at you. There is no excuse for doing something like that. Originally Posted by txinvestigator1
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10-13-06 05:27 PM #12
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"The equivalent of shooting through a crowd to get someone pointing a gun at you"
Isn't that a bit of a stretch for a comparison though? This kid was basically an unarmed hostage with a weapon pointed at his head at point blank range.
He made a decision under a life and death situation. I don't necessarily condone his actions because he could've very well killed an innocent person. But it seems he took the chance of getting tried by 12 rater than being carried by 6.
It's an unfortunate situation nonetheless.
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10-13-06 05:42 PM #13
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Not really... his weapon was his car, and he aimed it at innocent people. Originally Posted by Sheafan
I realize this is armchair quarterbacking at this point, and he was probably panicking - but like Narius said, a bridge pillar, signpost, or any other inanimate object would have been fine.
This falls solidly under the definition of negligence in my mind, but I'm not a lawyer or LE.
If he thought it through and accepted the risk to those who he crashed into, I think it goes way beyond negligence, into knowingly causing an injury - Much, much worse.Last edited by TXCharlie; 10-13-06 at 05:50 PM.
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10-13-06 06:16 PM #14
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I think the only thing that was going through this kid's mind was he didn't want to die. I doubt seriously that he was in the right frame of mind to consider the consequences of his actions.
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+1 Perfect answer. Under a great deal of stress, people act differently. So I really can't say what I would really do.... Originally Posted by JustTheFacts
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