Corrections Vs Police

[JoeNavy]

Is it just me or do Police and corrections not get along?
I used to want to get into to Patrol but after thinking long and hard about it, i would rather do corrections. No doubt the Police have a very tough job, but i think it takes a different mind set. Correctional Officers are often out numbered and have only their quick wit to protect them. I find that very honorable. Nothing against police but, any body can through a weapon on them and walk around with a holier then thou attitude. IMO you have to be humble to do corrections not a whimp but not cokcy, confident but not over bearing, witty but not rude. Just seems like more of a challenge to me and i wish they got more respect for it. chris

[Kimble]

Nothing against police but, any body can through a weapon on them and walk around with a holier then thou attitude.

Chris,

Nothing wrong with corrections if that's the field that interests you. It's a respectable job that needs good people filling it's ranks (like every job in the CJ System).

I do, however, take offense to the remark you made above. You say "nothing against police..." and then in the same breath state we have a "holier than thou" attitude. That's ridiculous. Sure, there are cops with this sort of attitude, but then there are also doctors, attorneys, judges, mayors, accountants, correctional officers, and people of all professions with this sort of attitude. Making a blanket statement about all in a particular field because of a few samples you've met is ignorant at best. You may wish to use that "wit" you have to consider what you're saying before you broadcast it in a public forum, as you need to consider how people will react to what you say.

I could just as easily make a stereotype that CO's are all corrupt turn-keys, but then I would be ignorant and misjudge all the CO's out there who are good people with a high degree of integrity and commitment to their jobs.

Just something to consider.

[JoeNavy]

You are right. I am sorry. I have nothing but respect for law enforcement. I have two uncles and numerous friends that are all police officers. I realise that police deal with the worst in humanity every day, that is why i can let some of their attitudes go. Police work is very dangerous if not more dangerous then corrections and i respect them for that. I just wish they gave more respect to their counterparts in corrections/military. If i offended some people then iam trully sorry as this whas not my intention.

[Kimble]

I just wish they gave more respect to their counterparts in corrections/military. If i offended some people then iam trully sorry as this whas not my intention.

If you want instant respect, you may want to look into becoming a fireman. :D

I have the utmost respect for nearly all the CO's and military service members I've met. Hell, deputies at my department start out in the jail (basically as CO's), and state CO's are recognized in our state as LEOs. But remember that respect is earned. If you want respect, earn it in your dealings with LEOs and others. Regardless of what the general perception of a particular job is, be the person that people say, "JoeNavy is a squared-away guy who does his job well", rather than, "JoeNavy is a perfect example of what is wrong with CO's."

Just worry about the respect you have from others, not what everyone in a given field should or should not have. Way less stress for you to endure if you're only working on making sure you do the best job you can in the field.

[JoeNavy]

Again you are correct, but i mean respect on a proffesional level not personal. Just becuase an idot soldiers rapes someone, it doesn't mean we are all rapist. If a peace officer kills unlawfully i do not say all peace officers are killers.Too often people rate a group by the actions of one person.

[tomahawk134]

Again you are correct, but i mean respect on a proffesional level not personal. Just becuase an idot soldiers rapes someone, it doesn't mean we are all rapist. If a peace officer kills unlawfully i do not say all peace officers are killers.Too often people rate a group by the actions of one person.

JoeNavy that ATTITUDE is going to happen with any profession. As ROS has stated, " If you want respect, earn it in your dealings with LEOs and others".
Nothing more to say

[SPM]

Is it just me or do Police and corrections not get along?
I used to want to get into to Patrol but after thinking long and hard about it, i would rather do corrections. No doubt the Police have a very tough job, but i think it takes a different mind set. Correctional Officers are often out numbered and have only their quick wit to protect them. I find that very honorable. Nothing against police but, any body can through a weapon on them and walk around with a holier then thou attitude. IMO you have to be humble to do corrections not a whimp but not cokcy, confident but not over bearing, witty but not rude. Just seems like more of a challenge to me and i wish they got more respect for it. chris

Just a quick note. I see you have been already repremanded for your comments, so there is no need to go over that.


On patrol, yes - you have a weapon. That, sadly, means nothing. Everyone else does too. In corrections, you don't have a weapon (firearm). But nor does anyone else, except for the "shanks".

On patrol, it's you and MAYBE your partner in the car (if you have one). Your backup MIGHT be a few minutes away... or might be 30+ out. In corrections, your backup is about 3 to 7 seconds from you... and in force.

I'll say this: I think it's much more dangerous on the street than in a Jail. On the street, the biggest thing working against you is the unknown. You never know what you are walking into. In Jails, 99.9% of the time you know exactly what's going on.


I speak about JAILS, not PRISONS. Perhaps a Prison Corectional Officer would like to pipe up re: their job.

-SPM

[retdetsgt]

I wouildn't want to be a corrections officer and many wouldn't want mine. Two different jobs with different rewards and drawbacks.

The only problem I've ever run into with C.O.'s is when they pretend to be police. We don't pretend to be C.O.'s., or at least no cop I know of ever has. But I've had a number of C.O.'s try to pass themselves as cops.

[JoeNavy]

I disagree with you. Certain CO's Are P.O.S.T certified Peace Officers. Only difference is the beat they walk. You Patrol a City or Highway, they patrol a prison complex.

[O'Gee]

I disagree with you. Certain CO's Are P.O.S.T certified Peace Officers. Only difference is the beat they walk. You Patrol a City or Highway, they patrol a prison complex.

Disagree with what? RetDet said they tried to be Police officers which they are not....You said it yourself up top they are peace officers which is a Huge diffrence from Police officers. Where you said the only diffrence is the beat they walk is where your wrong. Even though there certified, Peace officers and a Police officers are two completely diffrent certifications with many diffrent levels of power.

[JoeNavy]

I guess it depends on where you are from. In college i was told that Police Officer and Peace Officer are one in the same. Maybe you can explain to me why it says Peace Officer Selection on the numerous PHS statements i have filled out for different departments. Maybe you can elaborate on why P.O.S.T means Peace Officer Standards Of Training instead of Police Officer Standards Of Training. Hmmm.... Maybe im a little out of my league here :rolleyes:

[O'Gee]

Well for starters a Peace officer can only arrest on a felony charge while off duty. A Police officer can act on both a misdemeanor or felony regardless on or off duty. A police officer needs someone to just say they saw a crime being commited in order to justify them investigating and acting upon it. A peace officer MUST witness it. Etc, theres alot of diffrences and in most states i know its not exact, but pretty close. I dont know where your from but im 99.99% sure there is a diffrence or else they would just call everyone POLICE Officers. Do a little reasearch on your states website for Dept. of Criminal Justice Heres mine.http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/ Also Police training is much longer and much more extensive than the peace officer's training.

[JoeNavy]

Again, that would depend on the state. I know CDOC has an almost 24 week long accademy which is longer then some back east. On the flip side of that coin i know that NDOC has a 4 week on site accademy. Training is different depending on where you go.

You may be right as far as Peace Officer/Police Officer back east however, that does not translate to western United states.

What i don't understand is why SOME of you cling to the title police officer like someone is going to steal it. Some of you act like this is all you have and for a co or highway patrolman to take it, some how lessens who you are or is some what less meaningfull. All i can say is get over yourself and lose the elitist attitude, The whole world is not against you and if Certain CO's are cops then it is ok, you are still a cop and no less of a man.

[O'Gee]

Again, that would depend on the state. I know CDOC has an almost 24 week long accademy which is longer then some back east. On the flip side of that coin i know that NDOC has a 4 week on site accademy. Training is different depending on where you go.

You may be right as far as Peace Officer/Police Officer back east however, that does not translate to western United states.

What i don't understand is why SOME of you cling to the title police officer like someone is going to steal it. Some of you act like this is all you have and for a co or highway patrolman to take it, some how lessens who you are or is some what less meaningfull. All i can say is get over yourself and lose the elitist attitude, The whole world is not against you and if Certain CO's are cops then it is ok, you are still a cop and no less of a man.

Ok well i think you just have some kind of issue that goes deeper than the technical diffrence of a Peace officer Vs. Police officer and you just need to sort that out. Now with the attitude you have comming in here and talking S**T about Police and Peace whos who and disrespecting is your issue. On this site and and on the streets most of us here have no problem with Peace or Police officers getting along so good luck to you. And if your going to judge your manhood over what type of shield you carry then good luck with your Psych. Boards.
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[JoeNavy]

Ouch...... you cut me deep. Anyways...... im not here to argue, get banned or get in a pissing match with you. I stated my opinions and you stated yours so there we have it.