Rape Case

[Valor55]

Last weekend I catch a rape case at the hospital. I showed up and interviewed the victim.

She and her boyfriend are walking from home to a friend's place and go through an apartment complex. There's a bunch of men standing around outside and they are drinking and friendly. The boyfriend stops and is chatting and everyone is cool. The guys hand her and the boyfriend beer. Neither saw it opened.

She nursed the one beer and the boyfriend was finishing the second and had to use the bathroom. She starts feeling really drunk and goes to get him as he hasn't come back yet. She finds him passed out on the couch and despite hitting him and shaking him he won't wake. The other men pick her up and carry her off and she blacks out. She wakes up during the rape but continues blacking out until she walks home.

When the boyfriend woke up he had to fight his way out of the apartment and got a broken hip from either being hit by a baseball bat or falling down the stairs.

When they reunite later in the day they go to the hospital together.

Very messed up story. Remember to open your own drinks and never set them down and come back. You never know who will try slipping you something.

[madsnax]

That is a horrible story.. Wow. Just awful.

Valor as I kept reading your story my stomach started getting that sinking feeling..

I bet it gets hard every now and then taking reports like that..

[Valor55]

That is a horrible story.. Wow. Just awful.

Valor as I kept reading your story my stomach started getting that sinking feeling..

I bet it gets hard every now and then taking reports like that..

It isn't hard, you just want to make sure you investigate it properly to help the victim.

[Kat82]

And it is for these very reasons that if I go to house parties I always mix my own drinks. I don't care if someone says they're a bartender.. No thank you. And always have been a firm believer in the "if you set your drink down, get a new one".

Hope these guys don't get away.

[Oscarsjava]

That absolutely sucks - I am deathly afraid that this will happen to my gf, being as she goes to school in NYC and goes out with her friends. My sister was slipped a roofie at a club, but luckily her friends didn't leave her alone and got her out of there before something could happen. I don't know what I'd do if I were in the situation you described, but I'm sure that once I got out of the hospital, I may do something that would jeopardize my chances of becoming a LEO...

[retdetsgt]

I'd be willing to bet the story is baloney. I've had several cases where people claimed to be drugged by someone putting something in their drinks. All turned out to be garbage. The average person doesn't have access to something they can put in drinks that will make someone "black out" and not kill them.

People get these ideas from television and they use them to cover up what really happened. She might have been raped and he apparently did get his hip broken, but I suspect the reality of it is something else, like they just got sloppy drunk on a lot more than one beer.

My experience is the truth is like water and electricity, it follows the path of least resistance. When something extraordinary like this is thrown into the story, you can assume it's garbage.

[Redman]

Thats a shame. I wish people would be aware of this threat. Especially since it's spring break season.

[CTUCop]

Drugs used for nefarious reasons such as "rape drugs" are available. Although, the statistics show Rohypnol use is declining, it is still available. And it's relatively cheap.

Every once in a while, there is an incident where Roofies are involved; you can't discount it as a possibility. I agree that a lot of the time, the complaint turns out to be caused by a case of mucha cervezas rather than roofies, but we have had two cases of drug-involved assaults within the last few years, so I try to keep an open mind.

I'm sure most of the people on this forum know about the drug, but since this post is in the public area, here's some info on the drug refered above which is Flunitrazepam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohypnol

Flunitrazepam (formerly marketed under the trade name Rohypnol in the United States) is a drug which is a benzodiazepine derivative. It has powerful sedative, anxiolytic, and skeletal muscle relaxant properties.

Use as a date rape drug

Flunitrazepam is known to induce anterograde amnesia in sufficient doses; individuals are unable to remember certain events that they experienced while under the influence of the drug. This effect is particularly dangerous when flunitrazepam is used to aid in the commission of sexual assault; victims may not be able to clearly recall the assault, the assailant, or the events surrounding the assault.

It is difficult to estimate just how many flunitrazepam-facilitated rapes have occurred in the United States. Very often, biological samples are taken from the victim at a time when the effects of the drug have already passed and only residual amounts remain in the body fluids. These residual amounts are difficult, and sometimes impossible, to detect using standard screening assays available in the United States. If flunitrazepam exposure is to be detected at all, urine samples need to be collected within 72 hours and subjected to sensitive analytical tests. The problem is compounded by the onset of amnesia after ingestion of the drug, which causes the victim to be uncertain about the facts surrounding the rape. This uncertainty may lead to critical delays or even reluctance to report the rape and provide appropriate biological samples for testing. If a person suspects that he or she is the victim of a flunitrazepam-facilitated rape, he or she should get laboratory testing for flunitrazepam as soon as possible.

It must be noted that an inability to remember events, including sexual encounters, is not conclusive evidence of having consumed a drugged drink: Drunkenness itself causes blackouts, sleepiness, and a reduction in inhibitions. Only a timely screening for flunitrazepam can demonstrate its use.

http://www.ondcp.gov/publications/fa...nol/index.html

Availability, Trafficking, and Seizures

n the late 1980s, Rohypnol abuse and distribution were occasionally reported in Florida and in the border areas of Arizona, California, and Texas. Beginning around 1993, the abuse and distribution of Rohypnol began to spread, with the vast majority of Rohypnol-related law enforcement cases occurring between January 1993 and December 1996. The two largest Rohypnol seizures occurred in February 1995. At that time, more than 52,000 tablets were seized in Louisiana and 57,000 tablets were seized in Texas. By June 1996, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) had documented more than 2,700 Federal, State, and local law enforcement encounters with Rohypnol.
On March 5, 1996, the U.S. Customs Service began seizing Rohypnol at United States borders on advice from DEA and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. By December 1997, Customs Service efforts had substantially reduced the availability of the drug.

In May 2000, DEA, along with the U.S. Border Patrol, seized 900 Rohypnol tablets in Texas. In July 2000, multiagency investigations led to the closure of a pharmacy in Mexico that used the mail to distribute Rohypnol to California.
According to DEA’s System to Retrieve Information from Drug Evidence (STRIDE) data, Rohypnol seizures were at their highest in 1995, with 164,534 dosage units, and have since decreased to 4,967 units in 2000.

Regional Observations

According to Pulse Check: Trends in Drug Abuse, Rohypnol is now the least available club drug in the United States. Nevertheless, Los Angeles and El Paso report that the drug is widely available. The remaining Pulse Check sites report it as somewhat, not very, or not at all available.

In El Paso, speedball (a combination of heroin and cocaine) users often use Rohypnol to "soften the fall when coming down." El Paso treatment centers also report clients using "roche," which is presumed to be Rohypnol smuggled in from Mexico.

According to the Community Epidemiology Work Group (CEWG), reports of Rohypnol use have been declining since recent legislation and its use is very low or nonexistent in the majority of CEWG areas. Cities that are exceptions to this decline in use include Atlanta and New Orleans. Poison control calls involving Rohypnol in combination with other drugs have increased in Atlanta where Rohypnol sells for $5 to $10 per pill. In New Orleans, Rohypnol is common in nightclubs and private rave parties.

Texas has experienced increases in poison control calls and treatment admissions for Rohypnol, especially among Hispanic youth close to the Mexican border. In the first quarter of 2000, DEA reported increases in Rohypnol seizures in Laredo, Beaumont, and Austin.

[CTUCop]

Forgot to mention there have been some interesting incidents lately in South Africa and Mexico. And a news search would seem to indicate there's some use of it in the UK, but our members across the pond could answer that better than I.

[Jynkxxie]

This is another good reason why I just don't drink anymore. That is a horrible story. I won't repeat what I hope the idiots get.

[Valor55]

I'd be willing to bet the story is baloney. I've had several cases where people claimed to be drugged by someone putting something in their drinks. All turned out to be garbage. The average person doesn't have access to something they can put in drinks that will make someone "black out" and not kill them.

People get these ideas from television and they use them to cover up what really happened. She might have been raped and he apparently did get his hip broken, but I suspect the reality of it is something else, like they just got sloppy drunk on a lot more than one beer.

My experience is the truth is like water and electricity, it follows the path of least resistance. When something extraordinary like this is thrown into the story, you can assume it's garbage.

I've gotten pretty good with the BS meter on these calls and I don't know that it's fake. There was also some other stuff that happened that I don't want to put in public that leads me to believe that she was at least raped. It's possible she just got drunk but there was some other parts of the story that corroborated her story. I really posted the bare basics just to get the story across.

[Cinnamon]

VERY good reminder about watching your drinks...and also making sure someone is there to watch your back if you get plastered.

Last year I went to a party at a local bar...got REALLY drunk. I got a call the next day by one of our detectives...cuz he was working a rape case that happened that night...and they learned that I actually spoke to the rapist at some point during the night.

This guy got a girl to leave the bar with him...he beat the crap out of her, raped her, and stole her car. He was caught an hour later I think. Thankfully the rapist didn't see me as an easy target and moved on to the other girl. I guess I'm just as feisty when I'm drunk.

[retdetsgt]

I've gotten pretty good with the BS meter on these calls and I don't know that it's fake. There was also some other stuff that happened that I don't want to put in public that leads me to believe that she was at least raped. It's possible she just got drunk but there was some other parts of the story that corroborated her story. I really posted the bare basics just to get the story across.

I'm not disputing she was raped, she probably was. But sometimes victims are embarrassed to say they got drunk out of their mind and woke up to some guy boinking them. That's still rape, but it doesn't come across nearly as sympathetic as if you say someone slipped you something.

The fact these guys went to trouble to drug both her and her boy friend sounds fishy to me. Why mess with someone who has a witness with them? Even groups of guys would want to pick a woman alone.

The circumstances could be true, but my experience has been that when the story is like that, it's usually not. The big problem is that when they do embellish the story, it knocks the crap out of the case in general. I've seen some legitmate rape cases go out the window because the victim didn't want to admit she got stupid and drank too much around strangers.

[Valor55]

The fact these guys went to trouble to drug both her and her boy friend sounds fishy to me. Why mess with someone who has a witness with them? Even groups of guys would want to pick a woman alone.

The circumstances could be true, but my experience has been that when the story is like that, it's usually not.

That is a possibility. I doubt we'll ever get the guys however unless they come up in a DNA database. The vicitm can't describe them or anything else.

[SERENAs UNIT]

Been there, unfortunately.