Tribal Police Seek More Computer Access

[retdetsgt]

RDS, I think he's upset because two verifieds seem to have attitudes about something today......But that's just me because I know I am.

There's no need for the oldtimers here, verified or not to use the word "idiot" or any other word like that when referring to others, smiley face or not. We all have different ideas about how things should or do work.

To defend Norm, he's been around here long enough to deserve some respect too.

[Bearcat06]

There's no need for the oldtimers here, verified or not to use the word "idiot" or any other word like that when referring to others, smiley face or not. We all have different ideas about how things should or do work.
To defend Norm, he's been around here long enough to deserve some respect too.

Good point. In the orginal post, he did put smiley faces around the "idiot" thingy....so I didn't see a problem with it...but apparently a couple did.

[Norm357]

Good poing.

??? :confused: :D

[CA Cop]

It all boils down to accountability and hiring/training standards.

I don't have a problem giving them the same access that we have, BUT wouldn't it be prudent to know what their guidelines are in regards to the above?

These sovereign Tribal Police need to present us with an agreement in writing detailing the hiring, training and accountability issues. If it's reasonable and the standards are equivalent, then I can understand.

If their officers training standards consist of a simple proficiency test on an annual fire dance, then no way in hell they gonna get any access.

If their penalty for abuse/misuse of the LE database is turkey and mash potatoes for a month, then no way in hell they gonna get any access. If they violate the regulations/laws governing the misuse/abuse of the information, we need to have an agreement to extradite and prosecute them if necessary.

If their hiring standards are selecting their close family/friends who may be felons or unqualified, then no way in hell they gonna get any access.

If we start handing out our confidential/privileged information to sovereign nations, we might as well pass it around to every other country that wants it.

Just because you have a jacket with the word POLICE on it doesn't mean that you have the authority given to you by CA law.

What if the Nation of Islam wants to set up their own police force, would they have a legitimate argument as to why they aren't allowed access too?

If I wanted to win the jackpot at an Indian casino, do I have to play by their rules?

I'm not going to hand out our sensitive law enforcement information like hotcakes at your local McDonald's.

If you want access, you've gotta earn it just like every other LEO in the state, no shortcuts, no ifs and buts, no excuses!

[MOCOP]

Same here....I would safely assume that anyone that has access to NCIC/NELETS/And a State Database (MULES in Missouri) is held accountable as you stated. Why not let them sign an agreement saying that they are held accountable for everything ran in the system and if they do stuff they aren't supposed to be doing.....they go to jail or at least lose access to that information. It's what's supposed to happen here and I would suspect elsewhere in the US.
What's going to happen is one of the CA Tribal Officers is going to be doing a traffic stop......and will end up DRT because the State of CA is screwed up......

I have to agree with Bearcat06. Hold them accountable for the use of the system. Here if you misuse it you pay.

Withholding critical info from an Officer that could end up being killed is just to high a price to pay. IMHO.

[Ranger__101]

Generally we are not talking about access to CA's state records we are talking about access to NCIC records which are governed and controlled by the FBI.

The problem comes up for the tribes and other LE agencies is that NCIC records are fed though NLETS to the state systems and each agency has to make agreements at the state level for NCIC access.

The problem is that curently there is no federal mandate to automatically provide federal LE agenices, BIA LE agencies or, other Police agencies that are state certified NCIC access. They've got to work out the agreements on their own.

I don't know much about the BIA but I think they have legal and investigative authority in the event that a BIA certifed officer would do somehting wrong with the NCIC data.

What it comes down to is the FBI, BIA and DOJ all need to come to some agreement about how to get NCIC access to those departments that are BIA approved. Posibally heavy handing the states they are in to sign agreements for NCIC access.

Around here we've got a really good working relationship, but from what I'm reading CA doesn't want to play nice.

[richjorg]

If their officers training standards consist of a simple proficiency test on an annual fire dance, then no way in hell they gonna get any access.

If their penalty for abuse/misuse of the LE database is turkey and mash potatoes for a month, then no way in hell they gonna get any access.

I am glad I am not an Indian because I just might be offended by those statements.

[retdetsgt]

I don't know about California, but in Oregon, our state system does a pretty good job of "policing the police" on their use of the system. We all have to take periodic mandatory training in order to remain certified to use it, and it's not a walk in the park test at the end. And they have no qualms about shutting down access if it's abused.

As far as misuse, some poorly paid cops in any jurisdiction are as apt to misuse the info as any tribal police. Other than weeding out people with criminal records, going through an academy doesn't make anybody any more honest than when they started.

And I agree, ethnic slurs aren't funny nor cute.

[Bearcat06]

If their officers training standards consist of a simple proficiency test on an annual fire dance, then no way in hell they gonna get any access.
If their penalty for abuse/misuse of the LE database is turkey and mash potatoes for a month, then no way in hell they gonna get any access. If they violate the regulations/laws governing the misuse/abuse of the information, we need to have an agreement to extradite and prosecute them if necessary.

Needless to say I have relatives that are Native American and I find that very, very offensive.....On top of the fact that as a LE if I would ever say anything like that out loud at where I worked.....my *** would be fired in a heartbeat.

[MOCOP]

If their officers training standards consist of a simple proficiency test on an annual fire dance, then no way in hell they gonna get any access.

If their penalty for abuse/misuse of the LE database is turkey and mash potatoes for a month, then no way in hell they gonna get any access.

Man! What are you thinking? Got any other cultures you care to insult while your at it? I don't know about where you work. But I'd be kickin rocks with Bearcat where I work.

[retdetsgt]

Let's not forget the fact that there've been a number of incidences where civilian police employees that have passed background checks to get hired have been caught abusing NCIC.

Good point. I forgot about that. I have no idea how much sensitive info is compromised all the time by civilian employees. They have as much right (and need) to the data as any cop and they aren't certified by anybody as a police officer.

[tomahawk134]

If their officers training standards consist of a simple proficiency test on an annual fire dance, then no way in hell they gonna get any access .....

You my friend have just showed your *** and Now I am offended, RACIST!

[cntryboy0531]

It all boils down to accountability and hiring/training standards.

I don't have a problem giving them the same access that we have, BUT wouldn't it be prudent to know what their guidelines are in regards to the above?

These sovereign Tribal Police need to present us with an agreement in writing detailing the hiring, training and accountability issues. If it's reasonable and the standards are equivalent, then I can understand.

If their officers training standards consist of a simple proficiency test on an annual fire dance, then no way in hell they gonna get any access.

If their penalty for abuse/misuse of the LE database is turkey and mash potatoes for a month, then no way in hell they gonna get any access. If they violate the regulations/laws governing the misuse/abuse of the information, we need to have an agreement to extradite and prosecute them if necessary.

If their hiring standards are selecting their close family/friends who may be felons or unqualified, then no way in hell they gonna get any access.

If we start handing out our confidential/privileged information to sovereign nations, we might as well pass it around to every other country that wants it.

Just because you have a jacket with the word POLICE on it doesn't mean that you have the authority given to you by CA law.

What if the Nation of Islam wants to set up their own police force, would they have a legitimate argument as to why they aren't allowed access too?

If I wanted to win the jackpot at an Indian casino, do I have to play by their rules?

I'm not going to hand out our sensitive law enforcement information like hotcakes at your local McDonald's.

If you want access, you've gotta earn it just like every other LEO in the state, no shortcuts, no ifs and buts, no excuses!

If it wasn't for the fact you were banned, I'd neg rep the hell out of you for that one. VERY disrespectful and racist. I have NO respect for you whatsoever because of those comments. :mad: