Port Huron Police Shoot/Kill Woman

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THroughly read the entire thread. If you are still at a loss I am afraid that it would be a waste attempting to exlplain it to you. Did it cross your mind that the reason you are alone on this could also be fairly obvious?

Think hard, but don't hurt yourself.

BTW, how old are you? Wahat do you do for a living?

[ramadoss]

THroughly read the entire thread. If you are still at a loss I am afraid that it would be a waste attempting to exlplain it to you. Did it cross your mind that the reason you are alone on this could also be fairly obvious?

Think hard, but don't hurt yourself.

BTW, how old are you? Wahat do you do for a living?

I guess it's a waste then. I'm alone because I'm the only one not specifically trained for this situation. I still know how to disarm a lady with a 1/4" knife using a baton without putting myself in danger. If you can't do that, then what's the point of training for it in the first place?

I'm 30 and am a network administrator.

[imalazypup]

I'm 30 and am a network administrator.

How many times have you been attacked in your adult life?

How often are officers? Yet you are telling THEM how to do their job.

[ramadoss]

How many times have you been attacked in your adult life?

How often are officers? Yet you are telling THEM how to do their job.

I'm not telling them how to do their job. I just think it could have been easily resolved without shooting the lady.

I've been attacked on several occasions. The worst I got was a bat to the head back in high school when I was jumped by 6 guys. I've disarmed people with knives, brass knuckles, bats and even a tazer on one occasion. I'm not even a big guy being well under 6'. Was I lucky? Maybe a little. I'd like to think that I kept my cool and handled the situations calm and quickly.

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I've disarmed people with knives, brass knuckles, bats and even a tazer on one occasion. I'd like to think that I kept my cool and handled the situations calm and quickly.

Well then sport,why don't you sign your name on the dotted line and show all of us how its done? There are a lot of agencies hiring. If you can't,then STFU. Until you've walked in our shoes,you don't have an opinion worth listening to.

[darrell]

I'm not trolling. I'm being serious. The answers given are valid for many suspects. But why two trained police offciers cannot disarm a woman with a 1/4" knife when they have 21" batons is eluding me.

They are not issued 21" ASP Batons, they are only issued the 16" Asp. Apparently you didn't read my post near the begining. I have a nice slash mark on my chest from a knife. Just because a blade is 1/4" long don't mean they can't kill someone with it. For those of you who haven't been charged with a knife or been slashed or stabbed then you need to watch Surviving Edged Weapons video. That will show you exactly how dangerous edged weapons can be. Even if someone charges you with a 3" piece of broken glass it is still considered a deadly weapon and it constitutes deadly force, IE Tango Down. So this means watch the video you Troll's and then ummmm shut up yeah thats a great idea. (Yes I fed the trolls, I have violated my motto.)

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I've disarmed people with knives, brass knuckles, bats and even a tazer on one occasion. I'm not even a big guy being well under 6'. Was I lucky? Maybe a little. I'd like to think that I kept my cool and handled the situations calm and quickly.

Uh, huh. In Training scenarios or for real? if for real, I would be fascinated to read the police reports, news accounts, etc.

I have a Black Belt In TKD, am a Aikido and Krav Maga Student. We practice these types of disarms in class all of the time. Your opponent is cooperating, it is a static, non-lethal environment.

I promise that you put me within 7 yards with a edged weapon and I will cause you serious bodily injury or death before you can "disarm me".

I am not trying to chastise you here, but I have BTDT. A LEO should not have to risk his safety to try some hollywood martial art knife take-away or disarm.

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I just want one person to say it was possible to stop the lady without shooting her. A bunch of you claim to be able to take anyone out if you are within 21' of them with a knife but you apparently can't stop a woman with a 16" baton. Come on. Deadly force is not always the thing to do and in this situation I think it was excessive. I'm not saying the officers choice in what they did was wrong, just that it could have been done differently resulting in a live suspect instead of a dead one and an insuing investigation and public outcry and the whole ****fest that goes with it. You wouldn't have me here talking about it.

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Lightning COULD have struck her dead, too! What is possible and what is best do not necessarily have to be the same thing.

Luckily what you think in this matter carries very little weight. Perhaps, with a little contemplation, you may come to the conclusion that there is a reason that your opinion differs from the LE community and LE standards. I think most of us here have already come to that conclusion.... but give it a shot, you may caome around.

[ramadoss]

Lightning COULD have struck her dead, too! What is possible and what is best do not necessarily have to be the same thing.

Luckily what you think in this matter carries very little weight. Perhaps, with a little contemplation, you may come to the conclusion that there is a reason that your opinion differs from the LE community and LE standards. I think most of us here have already come to that conclusion.... but give it a shot, you may caome around.

I'd rather try to bring the woman in alive instead of dead. I'd risk my life to ensure someone doesn't die, especially if that was part of the career I chose to do. If I'm wrong, you tell me what it is.

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You see, there is a flaw in your argument.

We DO risk our lives to ensure people do not die! We do it everyday, and most of us absolutely love it! However, I risk my life to ensure that innocents do not die... whether that innocent is me, a partner, or a possible victim.

I am sorry, but if someone makes a poor decision and there is going to be someone to be seriously hurt/killed, I believe that that someone should be the one making the poor decision... as a last resort of course. I'll be damned if my partner pays the ulimate price for an idiot's poor choice in charging him with a knife. I am sorry that the guy charging my partner made that stupid choice, FORCING me to minimize further risk to my partner and me by shooting him.... probably several times. I did not make this choice. I'd be happier sipping my coffee, but I will do it just the same... my hand is being FORCED in this matter.

Again... examine things a little closer. Is it not odd that you stand alone in this matter? Is it not odd that your opinion differs from all the studies done? From all the policies implemented? From, what appears to be common sense?

Perhaps you should take up a career in LE. If I were a betting man, I would wager it would be a very short one (assuming you could find someone to hire you with your distorted views). Your ideals are noble, though extremely unrealistic.

[ramadoss]

Again... examine things a little closer. Is it not odd that you stand alone in this matter? Is it not odd that your opinion differs from all the studies done? From all the policies implemented? From, what appears to be common sense?

Perhaps you should take up a career in LE. If I were a betting man, I would wager it would be a very short one (assuming you could find someone to hire you with your distorted views). Your ideals are noble, though extremely unrealistic.

My common sense and nobility separate me from LE? That's awesome! :cool:

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Please...

You give yourself way too much credit... not to mention displaying your poor reading comprehension skills again.

You obviously have no common sense in this matter. And because your opinion is noble, though severely lacking in realism, gives it no credibility that you seem to so desperately seek.

I think that it is time to move on with this topic, I've got more productive conversations to be had... such as those with my 2 year old.