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    1911 in police use?

    How many departments allow them, I know a lot of officers who when off duty carry a 1911 or other non issue weapon, saying "i carry x on duty since I need to and y off duty cause i can." Many prefer the powerful, accurate 1911. Never seen one in a police officer's duty holster before though. How many departments issue or allow it for other than SWAT?

    I can shoot it better than anything else personally, and if I had a choice as a officer (whenever I become one) would carry it, as I feel more confident.

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    I've never seen a police department around here issuing a 1911. Most are Glocks or Sig Sauers. In fact, I don't know of anyone who carries a gun that big off duty either. Those that carry .45's (like me) generally carry something lighter and easier to conceal.
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    The officers I know usually carry a commander or lightweight type compact version, but still a condition one gun. Im wondering how many departments would allow on duty carry if you chose to.

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    Our Special Operations Group issues them and the DUSMs can carry them all the time. The same goes for a local county department and their swat officers.
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    Not to advertise another forum, but there is one out there which caters to 1911 users and normally has this question come up quite often and has a list going. Maybe not which departments specifically issue them to line officers, but at least which ones authorize their use.
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    If I recall, I think there are some Texas departments that issue 1911s, too.
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    I carry a Colt Officer's Model 1911 on duty as a detective. It is my own gun, not the department's, but when I'm not in uniform I can carry it as long as I have qualified with it.
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    On a clear night, I can see the other deputies emergency lights at least 10 miles away.
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    Im guessing one reason their not used much is some officers just really aren't gun people, and are happy with a simple basic gun. Some will be issued a glock, see it as a tool, and be happy. Some will think its crap next to dozens of better options customize to their likeing etc. Some of my teachers built up massive amounts of firearms in their careers and shoot still. A couple havent handled a firearm since retirement.

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    k9870,

    A lot of the departments around my area issue/mandate that one particular gun is used on duty. This is so that if you get into a shoot out, you can use your partners ammo/gun if needed and know how to use it EFFECTIVELY! Just think about it, guns are pretty much the same minus a few parts that are either internal/external in nature. A officer can use any gun, but to be truly effective with their firearm, they need to practice with it. Just brining some thought into this, BTW, this ^^^ was told to me by the county sheriff when he did a presentation during my police administration class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPI1 View Post
    k9870,

    A lot of the departments around my area issue/mandate that one particular gun is used on duty. This is so that if you get into a shoot out, you can use your partners ammo/gun if needed and know how to use it EFFECTIVELY! Just think about it, guns are pretty much the same minus a few parts that are either internal/external in nature. A officer can use any gun, but to be truly effective with their firearm, they need to practice with it. Just brining some thought into this, BTW, this ^^^ was told to me by the county sheriff when he did a presentation during my police administration class.
    LMAO
    Please! Why don't you ask that county officer to list examples of when officers shared ammo! In theory, this is nice... i don't think I have ever heard of when it has actually been put into practice. Departments often require a certain firearm for one simple reasonl.... it is cheaper. It is cheaper to buy just one type of ammo, it is cheaper to buy just one type of firearms, it is cheaper to "train" their people for one platform, itis cheaper to train armors for one weapon and it is cheaper to stock parts for one type of firearm. Administrations worry about money and that is it... PERIOD.

    Anyone who is a real shooter can shoot ANY weapon effectively. If it functions and shoots relatively accurately, that is enough. Sadly, most cops tend to not be as accurate as their firearm, so it is not the firearm that is the issue as much as the operator when it comes to being EFFECTIVE.

    ...but I then again, I am not some guy giving a presentation at a class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback View Post
    LMAO
    Please! Why don't you ask that county officer to list examples of when officers shared ammo! In theory, this is nice... i don't think I have ever heard of when it has actually been put into practice. Departments often require a certain firearm for one simple reasonl.... it is cheaper. It is cheaper to buy just one type of ammo, it is cheaper to buy just one type of firearms, it is cheaper to "train" their people for one platform, itis cheaper to train armors for one weapon and it is cheaper to stock parts for one type of firearm. Administrations worry about money and that is it... PERIOD.

    Anyone who is a real shooter can shoot ANY weapon effectively. If it functions and shoots relatively accurately, that is enough. Sadly, most cops tend to not be as accurate as their firearm, so it is not the firearm that is the issue as much as the operator when it comes to being EFFECTIVE.

    ...but I then again, I am not some guy giving a presentation at a class.
    LMAO! Switch I like your thinkin'! I thought the same thing, but then again he was a good talker and had me convinced this was the reason. But now that you mention the $$$ you are correct sir, that is all they care about and ever will. In theory this works well, but in a fire fight, I guess I would be shooting enough that I would need my ammo unless I went down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPI1 View Post
    k9870,

    A lot of the departments around my area issue/mandate that one particular gun is used on duty. This is so that if you get into a shoot out, you can use your partners ammo/gun if needed and know how to use it EFFECTIVELY! Just think about it, guns are pretty much the same minus a few parts that are either internal/external in nature. A officer can use any gun, but to be truly effective with their firearm, they need to practice with it. Just brining some thought into this, BTW, this ^^^ was told to me by the county sheriff when he did a presentation during my police administration class.
    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback View Post
    LMAO
    Please! Why don't you ask that county officer to list examples of when officers shared ammo! In theory, this is nice... i don't think I have ever heard of when it has actually been put into practice. Departments often require a certain firearm for one simple reasonl.... it is cheaper. It is cheaper to buy just one type of ammo, it is cheaper to buy just one type of firearms, it is cheaper to "train" their people for one platform, itis cheaper to train armors for one weapon and it is cheaper to stock parts for one type of firearm. Administrations worry about money and that is it... PERIOD.

    Anyone who is a real shooter can shoot ANY weapon effectively. If it functions and shoots relatively accurately, that is enough. Sadly, most cops tend to not be as accurate as their firearm, so it is not the firearm that is the issue as much as the operator when it comes to being EFFECTIVE.

    ...but I then again, I am not some guy giving a presentation at a class.
    A couple questions: when you "qualify" with a weapon, is it by serial number, model/type or can you carry anything you like? If your pistol breaks, do you need to requal with a new pistol regardless of it's type or if you carried a Glock 22 can you carry any Glock 22?

    Second question: do departments mandate magazine carrying requirements or ammo carrying requirements? for example: do they say "thou shalt carry a minimum 3 fully loaded magazines (one in the pistol, two accessible" or do they say "though shalt carry 48 rounds of ammunition?"

    I would also think liabilty fits in there somewhere. I can't imagine a happy risk managment person learning that the latest officer involved shooting was with a pistol unique to him in the department. Especially if he learns that other officers with he most common firearm didn't see the threat and didn't shoot. just my non-leo 0.02

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    A couple questions: when you "qualify" with a weapon, is it by serial number, model/type or can you carry anything you like?
    Depends on the department.

    If your pistol breaks, do you need to requal with a new pistol regardless of it's type or if you carried a Glock 22 can you carry any Glock 22?
    Depends on the department. You should shoot a qual course at a bare minimum to make sure the pistol work properly. Why trust your life to an untested piece of equipment?

    Second question: do departments mandate magazine carrying requirements or ammo carrying requirements? for example: do they say "thou shalt carry a minimum 3 fully loaded magazines (one in the pistol, two accessible" or do they say "though shalt carry 48 rounds of ammunition?"
    Depends on the....oh, you get the idea.

    I would also think liabilty fits in there somewhere. I can't imagine a happy risk managment person learning that the latest officer involved shooting was with a pistol unique to him in the department. Especially if he learns that other officers with he most common firearm didn't see the threat and didn't shoot. just my non-leo 0.02
    Not all jurisdictions have dedicated risk management people and weapon/bullet type doesn't, by itself, effect liability. Utilizing the same type of pistol and ammo throughout the department just reduces the amount of paperwork & data in addition to saving money for the reasons Switchback noted above.
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