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    "You can buy the original or the copies.
    Buy the glock.

    It will cost a little more, but is worth the difference.
    AND I DONT OWN EITHER."

    Well, if you want the original you would be buying a Heckler & Koch VP70, not a Glock or XD.
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    The answer is simple......SIG

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    Had my Glock model 21 since 1992. Not one issue with this gun in 18 years. Very accurate and works every time I pull the trigger.
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    I like both, have owned both, would advise the XD if you like having some type of safety on your guns, the Glock if you want a more straight up combat gun (no real safeties) on it. The XD grip safety provides more room for complacency than a Glock but both are nearly indestructible and very reliable.
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    First of all Glock was not the inventor of the Polymer frame..It was in fact H&K well before Glock ever designed their pistols.But that being said Glocks have also proven themselves to not be as accurate as the XD.The XD may be newer but Springfield has been in the business of making firearms for longer than many can even make claim to..And guess which of the two are selling ..Glocks are sitting on the shelves..But them XD's are moving..Glocks have fallen 100.00 in value yet the XD's still outsell them 9 to 1..Maybe its time for some of ya to re think..Personally I wont own either..But I have also placed high enough in IPSC that I have seen what happens truly to poly framed sidearm..Another thing to consider..The blocks that are built into the Springfields..Heck of a lot more holding onto that slide then the Glocks..Have any of you read the Shooting industries reports on Glocks and failures?LOL I guess not..I would not call over 7000 failures a good track record..Just because Glock keeps it hush hush doesn't mean they are better ..Another plus for Springfield (adding up aren't they)They will replace the rails free of charge, FN replaces them as well H&K will Glock will not..So when those little itty bitty metal rails fail you all have great looking paperweights..

    Get the Springfield..The company is more established, and has a better track record of service and reliability ..And remember sometimes what was good at one time can be surpassed later..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcop733 View Post
    Had my Glock model 21 since 1992. Not one issue with this gun in 18 years. Very accurate and works every time I pull the trigger.
    I carried a Glock 21 and loved it too. But we had two go kaboom at the range. The first time, they thought it was the ammo, but after the second they stopped us from carrying them. Glock never did give a decent explanation.

    I've seen some websites that dispute that happened, but the range officer who was present at both is a good friend of mine.

    I was going to get a .45 baby Glock until that happened and I decided not to.
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    You just gotta realize he is hard of hearing and cranky, and try to speak up more clearly next time and make it perfectly clear what you were saying so there is no misinterpretation. You gotta try not to get mad at the old guy, recognizing the issue at hand.

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    xd vs glock is one thing, but one thing i see as the most common reasons stated is the grip safety... i don't understand why this is a problem. anytime i operate the weapon, i do so with a firm grip. one handed DFM is the only area i see that might pose a problem, due to the awkward grip you have to take to operate the slide lock while forcing the action against your holster. i honestly don't own an XD, but i recently recommended the 4" XD 9mm and the glock19 to my sister for her and her husband to choose between. they chose the XD, and i have to say i REALLY like that weapon. i have shot the glock19 with AGrips and i prefer the XD with no grip upgrade over the glock. i would love to shoot it with a set of agrips. i think the trigger has entirely too much slack, but the break is clean and the gun is easy for even the first time shooter. my sister never operated a firearms before in her life, and hit the bulls twice in her first 16 rounds at 7 yards. i have a browning hi-power, so i was looking for some area where my hi-power really outperformed the XD. i couldn't find it. the grip angle is perfect, i don't even notice the grip safety. i like the overall trigger pull of my hi-power over the XD, but i liked the XD trigger over the glock.. with a retail price pretty close, i'll take the XD over the glock, but i'd want money on top to trade my hi-power for either of them..

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    First, I have to say that this is a bit of an odd first post (even overlooking the rudeness of coming onto our forum and not doing an intro, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbore View Post
    Glocks have also proven themselves to not be as accurate as the XD.
    I think that this is a non-issue. I was issued both a Sig P229 and, later, a Springfield Operator. Both are more accurate than the Glock, but ALL THREE weapons are more accurate than most shooters and ALL THREE are more than accurate enough to handle anything that is thrown there way for the job that a handgun is designed to do. Sure, I have done headshots at 100+ yards with the Operator, but that betting a buddy for a beer... in the real world, I pull the rifle out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbore View Post
    ...And guess which of the two are selling ..Glocks are sitting on the shelves..But them XD's are moving..Glocks have fallen 100.00 in value yet the XD's still outsell them 9 to 1.
    Do you have a source for these stats? They sound pretty preposterous to me. I think they are either conjecture from a 19 year-old kid working a red-neck gun shop, who hasn't a clue what he is talkingabout, or or just flat some random numbers being pulled from your @ss. Regardless, I call bu11$h1t.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbore View Post
    Maybe its time for some of ya to re think..Personally I wont own either..But I have also placed high enough in IPSC that I have seen what happens truly to poly framed sidearm.
    Woooo...IPSC... you mean that game thing, huh? Where goobers make up rules that no one in the real world would follow... that game that is outdone by my son's X-box Call of Duty? I can tell you that I have been a firearms instructor for 10 years with a large federal agency that issues Glocks. I have shot 2500 rounds/day through several handguns. I won't lie and tell you that I have never seen failures...I have seen them in nearly all types. All of them CAN fail and only a fool will tell you otherwise. I can tell you that I have not heard of any kabooms in the Glocks and we have been issuing them for 8-9 years now. Every kaboom that I have seen documented was tied to ammo (usually reloads).

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbore View Post
    ..Another thing to consider..The blocks that are built into the Springfields..Heck of a lot more holding onto that slide then the Glocks..Have any of you read the Shooting industries reports on Glocks and failures?LOL I guess not..I would not call over 7000 failures a good track record..Just because Glock keeps it hush hush doesn't mean they are better ..Another plus for Springfield (adding up aren't they)They will replace the rails free of charge, FN replaces them as well H&K will Glock will not..So when those little itty bitty metal rails fail you all have great looking paperweights..
    I guess you must be really getting exciting, as your writing is getting harder to understand... but I will give it a shot.

    So, just out of curiosity, do you have an engineering degree? You see, like you, I kind of like full length rails. However,I am not foolish enough to claim that the Glock's are insufficient. In fact, if I recall, they are actually designed that way to allow frame flex, but I am not sure. Regardless, someone a lot smarter than me designed them and they seem to work pretty good... even with the hot .357sig that I have carried for 13-14 years. Then, while confusing, I chuckle that you claim that the longer rails are better and then, in the same breath, talk about the companies that use them replacing them for free. Hmmmm... if they were so great, why would replacing them come up? Just curious.

    Then there is the part about you wanting us to base our opinions and beliefs on gun rags? Like I cam going to base my opinion on a magazine that writes their articles, based on what their advertisers want. The next thing you know, you will be telling me how great Massad Ayoob is and how his tactics are top-notch (they were back in the 70s). Read every gun rag you can find and they will tell you that he is the best thing since sliced bread... so, he MUST be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbore View Post
    Get the Springfield..The company is more established, and has a better track record of service and reliability ..And remember sometimes what was good at one time can be surpassed later..
    You spend all this time slamming Glock and now you say they were once good. Psssft!


    As many on here have already said, test drive them like you would a car. They are both fine weapons. Both are more accurate than most shooters and neither is likely to ever fail if you feed it quality ammo and take care of it. Pick the one you like best. They are of extremely similar quality at a very similar price. This one really comes down to personal preference for the person who will be carrying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlwartman View Post
    xd vs glock is one thing, but one thing i see as the most common reasons stated is the grip safety... i don't understand why this is a problem. anytime i operate the weapon, i do so with a firm grip. one handed DFM is the only area i see that might pose a problem, due to the awkward grip you have to take to operate the slide lock while forcing the action against your holster. i honestly don't own an XD, but i recently recommended the 4" XD 9mm and the glock19 to my sister for her and her husband to choose between. they chose the XD, and i have to say i REALLY like that weapon. i have shot the glock19 with AGrips and i prefer the XD with no grip upgrade over the glock. i would love to shoot it with a set of agrips. i think the trigger has entirely too much slack, but the break is clean and the gun is easy for even the first time shooter. my sister never operated a firearms before in her life, and hit the bulls twice in her first 16 rounds at 7 yards. i have a browning hi-power, so i was looking for some area where my hi-power really outperformed the XD. i couldn't find it. the grip angle is perfect, i don't even notice the grip safety. i like the overall trigger pull of my hi-power over the XD, but i liked the XD trigger over the glock.. with a retail price pretty close, i'll take the XD over the glock, but i'd want money on top to trade my hi-power for either of them..
    I think any DECENT gone with a grip safety will leave you not even noticing the safety. The XD is no different.

    I get what you are saying about the trigger. It can be a little annoying. I don't think it is much of an issue, as it is very easy to cruise through the trigger slack very quickly and "stage" the trigger. Most importantly, the trigger reset is short. With a little experience, you stop forward trigger movement right after reset and the remaining slack in the trigger is never an issue.

    ...and yeah, you may be stuck with the Highpower. It'd be tough to make a trade work for you unless you trade it for 2 guns... and that may be a good argument to justify getting 2.
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    Now that I have XDs, I put my 1911s away. I qualed with the Glock 40, but prefer the XD platform.

    Glocks are fine weapons; easy to train on, easy to repair and maintain, cop-proof, and reasonably priced.

    Poor grip angle and mushy trigger took me to the XD. I have three now and have qualified with each.

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    Its an old thread, but thanks for the update KenW. I agree, the XD's grip angle surpasses the Glocks. Both are very good, reliable platforms.

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    I am in need of the same advice. I am a police officer from Jamaica, who intends to purchase his own personal firearm soon. I am thinking about the Springfield xd(m) or a Glock. what advice can you give me. I would need something easily concealed with a lot of power. preferably .40 or .45.

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    "You can buy the original or the copies"

    There's a reason why we no longer drive model "T"s. Be it a car or a gun; there ARE other choices now. If you choose Glock that's fine, but don't just rule everything else out because it is not a Glock. There are reasons I own four XDs and zero Glocks.

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