Condition 1 or 3

[allusivewolf]

what are you depts regulations as far as shotgun and pistol condition 1 rifles and pistols, (loaded with round in chamber)

in ours we are ready to go with both at all times.


but our chief has acutally councelled people becuase they wouldnt have a round in thier weapon when he spot checked them, to me that is being complacent.

[Fin]

Our sidearms are hot at all times while on duty. As far as shotguns go, the couple of folks I've talked to carry theirs loaded, minus one in the chamber, for safety reasons. I'm not on patrol yet, but I'd probably do the same. I'm not sure how our Mini-14's are carried, but I'd guess they are carried much like the shotguns.

I was actually at the county hospital awhile back & spoke to a private security guard (not a county employee) who told me that they cannot carry a live round in the chamber of a semiauto, or a live round in a revolver where the trigger being pulled would cause the weapon to fire on the first shot. That's a crappy policy.........

[trooper211]

Any agency that would carry their sidearm w/o it being hot is crazy!!!, Here we carry both are shotguns and rifles "cruiser ready", Magazine full, trigger snapped (if shotgun)

[EricTheBald]

You know....
Those "conditions" refer specifically to the M1911.

They've been bastardized a bit to be generic, but they do refer to the 1911.

Just wanted to get that out there. Please continue.

[Mike Booth]

At MCCF we top off our H&Ks. We carry our shotguns chamber empty on perimeter, but rack a round at the first hint of an unusual occurance.

[Scruit]

This is gonna sound silly, but I've never owned a pistol... If you carry a pistol (semi or revolver) with a round in the chamber, and you drop that pistol such that it lands on the closed hammer, is that likely to cause a discharge of the round?

Also, what are the chances that a pistol with the hammer back and a round in the chambe will fire if the pistol is dropped?

If you have a semi that is no double-action, then would you carry with a round in the chamber, hammer back and safety on?

Finally, it seems to me that a citizen with a CCW would not need to be quite as 'ready to go' so would probably not carry with a round in the chamber, thereby requiring the slide to be racked once before it's party time. Is this a valid point, or would you still advise a CCW holder to carry hot as the police do?

[txinvestigator1]

Modern revolvers are equipped with safety features that will prevent the gun from firing, even if the hammer is struck with a mallet.

Also, what are the chances that a pistol with the hammer back and a round in the chambe will fire if the pistol is dropped

Someone with more experience with 1911 style pistols will have to answer that.

If you have a semi that is no double-action, then would you carry with a round in the chamber, hammer back and safety on?

Yep, that would be the way to carry.

Finally, it seems to me that a citizen with a CCW would not need to be quite as 'ready to go' so would probably not carry with a round in the chamber, thereby requiring the slide to be racked once before it's party time. Is this a valid point, or would you still advise a CCW holder to carry hot as the police do?

Why would a citizen have more time to spare before having to bring the weapon to bear. There are less chances a citizen would NEED a firearm in the course of a day, but once needed it is usually needed immediately.

A BG will not give warning before making an assault against you.

CCW holders are advised to carry revolvers with all chambers loaded, and not to modify the weapon to defeat any internal safety.

Semi-autos that are double-action first shot are advised to carry with a round in the chamber, hammer down, and safety on, if equipped. The safety is more a matter of choice.

1911 styles are advised to carry a round in the chamber, hammer back and safety on. (I do not care for this method, and will not carry a 1911 style for CCW or CHL purposes)

Striker Fired (ie GLocks) are advised to carry with a round in the chamber.

[Norm357]

Originally posted by Scruit
This is gonna sound silly, but I've never owned a pistol... If you carry a pistol (semi or revolver) with a round in the chamber, and you drop that pistol such that it lands on the closed hammer, is that likely to cause a discharge of the round?

Also, what are the chances that a pistol with the hammer back and a round in the chambe will fire if the pistol is dropped?

If you have a semi that is no double-action, then would you carry with a round in the chamber, hammer back and safety on?

Finally, it seems to me that a citizen with a CCW would not need to be quite as 'ready to go' so would probably not carry with a round in the chamber, thereby requiring the slide to be racked once before it's party time. Is this a valid point, or would you still advise a CCW holder to carry hot as the police do?

I am not a LEO but let me give you my .02 cents on this citizen with a ccw issue.
I was making a bank deposit one morning and shot a man who stabbed me in the stomach with a screwdriver while trying to rob me. So I guess my point is how would I have anymore time to ready my firearm than a police officer. Please think before you speakLOL .
stay safe everyone,
Norm

[Scruit]

Please think before you speakLOL

Bit harsh, don't you think? :mad:


The intentions of the BG against the civillian tends to be more robbery/rape etc where you are expected to remain alive and not incapacitaded for at least some period of time to permit you to comply with their demands for money etc.

When a BG attacks a cop it's because he wants the cop dead right now to avoid capture. Those attacks are much more sudden and are instantly deadly force attacks that can stike an officer dead before he knows what's going on. The vest will often give a cop a second to pull out his gun and start plugging.


Civillians mayl sometimes face the kind of brutal instant deadly force attacks that cops get more of, but in those cases, without a vest, it's probably too late to draw your weapon. Unless you sensed danger atnd already drew the weapon - at which point you would have had time to rack one up.



Was that enough thinking? ;)

[txinvestigator1]

Scruit
No insult or disrespect intended, but

Your thinking is simplistic and not based on realistic expectations of actual encounters with BG's.

Especially here in the US, BG's will shoot or stab or assault a victim without provication.

Having to rack the slide to chamber a round can be nearly impossible under the Psychological stress of a violent attack.

And I dont want to have to take the extra time, or make the noise.

[Norm357]

Originally posted by Scruit
Bit harsh, don't you think? :mad:


The intentions of the BG against the civillian tends to be more robbery/rape etc where you are expected to remain alive and not incapacitaded for at least some period of time to permit you to comply with their demands for money etc.

When a BG attacks a cop it's because he wants the cop dead right now to avoid capture. Those attacks are much more sudden and are instantly deadly force attacks that can stike an officer dead before he knows what's going on. The vest will often give a cop a second to pull out his gun and start plugging.


Civillians mayl sometimes face the kind of brutal instant deadly force attacks that cops get more of, but in those cases, without a vest, it's probably too late to draw your weapon. Unless you sensed danger atnd already drew the weapon - at which point you would have had time to rack one up.



Was that enough thinking? ;)

Maybe but I think it is justified because I have BTDT got the t shirt and the scars to prove it. This topic tends to make me cranky because I have been told on a couple of LE forums by people that should know better that citizens should not carry a weapon for self defense purposes. Like I said BTDT. sorry if I offended you.
Stay safe,
Norm

[zadlow]

with regards to the question about dropping your gun and accidental firing, any good modern pistol of any type, whether it be single action like the 1911, double action, or double action only, should have at least one, preferably several internal safety mechanisms to prevent the firing pin from contacting the bullet unless the trigger is pulled. Of course before buying any gun you should find out what safeties it has, both internal and external.