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    Question A Question Concerning Federal Firearm Laws

    First of all I am glad to be apart of a site that May help me get this question answered, I was just elected to a State Constable Position in the State of Pennsylvania for a 6 year Term and I am Awating Constable Act 44 training,
    I heared a Rumor That If a PA State Constable Gets 120 hours of Firearm training along with his Act 44 training that he can legally Carry a Firearm in All 50 states of the Union, Is this true? the reason i ask is because i had came across a Forum about State Constables in Pennsylvania and a gentlemen on this forum posted that it was true, he also said that The Sheriff Deptarments Can Not revoke This Use because State Constables are covered under LEOSA, I May believe we are covered under LEOSA, but i do not believe we can carry in all 50 states and would much rather ask someone who knows, My question is only about the firearms Use Not LEOSA, I did Contact the Pennsylvania State Police about this Question but they are Rather busy with more Important Things at The present time and that is ok as there jobs are very Hectic, Is there any help on this Question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAConstable10 View Post
    First of all I am glad to be apart of a site that May help me get this question answered, I was just elected to a State Constable Position in the State of Pennsylvania for a 6 year Term and I am Awating Constable Act 44 training,
    I heared a Rumor That If a PA State Constable Gets 120 hours of Firearm training along with his Act 44 training that he can legally Carry a Firearm in All 50 states of the Union, Is this true? the reason i ask is because i had came across a Forum about State Constables in Pennsylvania and a gentlemen on this forum posted that it was true, he also said that The Sheriff Deptarments Can Not revoke This Use because State Constables are covered under LEOSA, I May believe we are covered under LEOSA, but i do not believe we can carry in all 50 states and would much rather ask someone who knows, My question is only about the firearms Use Not LEOSA, I did Contact the Pennsylvania State Police about this Question but they are Rather busy with more Important Things at The present time and that is ok as there jobs are very Hectic, Is there any help on this Question?
    Wouldn't it be easier to ask the incumbent Constable you're replacing? Surely he should know. Or any one of the other duly appointed constables should be able to fill you in.

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    Well, you are good here in NYC. WE had a PA Constable arrested a year or so ago by a couple of rookies. The judge threw out the collar and the constable is now suing the pants off the PD & the Manhattan District Attorneys office. Once he was arrested and removed to the Pct, cooler heads tried to get him released (after confirming his status) but the Manhattan DA's office overruled the PD's decision to let him go and he went to the Tombs for the night.

    BTW, he was only a part timer, but was determind to fit all the requirements of LEOSA. He was up here executing a warrant at the time, but on some personal business when he was arrested. Google it, I'm sure you will find the case.

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    if you're going to use a username that indicates (or insinuates) that you are an LEO on RP, you must get verified. With that said, I think there was an issue with PA Constables not meeting the criteria. should that be the case you will be required to chan e your username.
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    federal firearms laws

    1st off you should ask yourself a few questions. Where are you going to get 120 hrs of firearms training and who is going to give you 120 hrs of training. 2nd who issues this permit to carry a firearm . Last but not least why would you want to carry a firearm in all 50 states. As a PA Constable you can only serve any warrants you have IN Pa the same as any other Pa Law Enforcement officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psc1365 View Post
    1st off you should ask yourself a few questions. Where are you going to get 120 hrs of firearms training and who is going to give you 120 hrs of training. 2nd who issues this permit to carry a firearm . Last but not least why would you want to carry a firearm in all 50 states. As a PA Constable you can only serve any warrants you have IN Pa the same as any other Pa Law Enforcement officer.
    Wow. Hi! Who are you? Stop by Rap Sheets and do an into, would ya?

    1st - Why would he need 3 weeks of firearms training? That's not a LEOSA requirement. Not even for retired cops.

    2nd - LEOSA doesn't require a separate "permit" to carry. Only your department identification stating you meet LEOSA regs is required.

    3rd - Why WOULDN'T someone want to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights in all 50 states if they can? Surely we should not discourage someone from doing that if they're legally able to do so.

    If he meets the other provisions of LEOSA, he's good to go in my book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt. Slaughter View Post
    ...If he meets the other provisions of LEOSA, he's good to go in my book.
    I am not sure that he PA Constables do meet the provisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback View Post
    I am not sure that he PA Constables do meet the provisions.
    It's possible. I don't know what type of authority they have which is why I recommended he network with other Constables who should know the answer.

    OP - Here are the provisions outlined in Title 18 USC Chapter 44 subsection 926b:

    (c) As used in this section, the term “qualified law enforcement officer” means an employee of a governmental agency who—
    (1) is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarceration of any person for, any violation of law, and has statutory powers of arrest;
    (2) is authorized by the agency to carry a firearm;
    (3) is not the subject of any disciplinary action by the agency;
    (4) meets standards, if any, established by the agency which require the employee to regularly qualify in the use of a firearm;
    (5) is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance; and
    (6) is not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm.
    Of every one hundred men, ten should not even be here. Eighty are nothing but targets. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the One... One of them is a Warrior... He will bring the others back.

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