USSS and Money

[explcdt8]

I've recently heard from a former USSS and current tresuary agent, that the counterfiting and fraud functions may be split from Secret Service, so they can focus on protection. Does anyone know any more about this? Is this something that may actually happen, or just another plan that gets talked to death but never gets implemented?

[Joeyd6]

I've recently heard from a former USSS and current tresuary agent, that the counterfiting and fraud functions may be split from Secret Service, so they can focus on protection. Does anyone know any more about this? Is this something that may actually happen, or just another plan that gets talked to death but never gets implemented?

I was at the NYC (Brroklyn) Office yesterday for 8 hours and nobody mentioned it. Besides, if they ditch it, somebody else has to pick it up. The logical place would be the U.S. Mint but the 1811's with the U.S. Mint are far and few. I doubt they have the manpower to handle that. They would need to add six digits of agents and I don't see that happening.

[BSmitty]

IRS has many 1811s who are willing and able to take some of these violations, but their leadership has no desire to do so. We heard that Treasury was going to give IRS credit card fraud several years ago, but it wound up with Secret Service (they were still under Treasury then). I doubt they would ever give up counterfeiting; it was their original mission. IRS management wants to tie their mission to tax compliance, even though they are pretty much all alone in Treasury since Secret Service, Customs, and ATF left to other departments.

[Piggy]

I've always thought their mission was odd. The completely different things, not related, and it's their primary goal.

[ngcsubutterbar]

The LAST thing I would want would be to have more power and authority given to the IRS collection agency.

[explcdt8]

IRS has many 1811s who are willing and able to take some of these violations, but their leadership has no desire to do so. We heard that Treasury was going to give IRS credit card fraud several years ago, but it wound up with Secret Service (they were still under Treasury then). I doubt they would ever give up counterfeiting; it was their original mission. IRS management wants to tie their mission to tax compliance, even though they are pretty much all alone in Treasury since Secret Service, Customs, and ATF left to other departments.

Well, there is still TIGTA (Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration). I had the opportunity to speak to one of them, and it basically sounded like they were the OIG for the OIG. In other words, if someone tries to bribe an IRS Auditor/Collector IRS-CID gets involved, if someone tries to bribe a CID agent, TIGTA comes in.

He was actually the one I asked about this, and he said 'they' were looking to take over the money function of Secret Service. But, I have no idea if he used they to mean TIGTA specifically, or only more generally, the treasury.

[kaylee2710]

The rumor of the Secret Service losing there 1811 status and counterfitting has been going around for years. I left there 3 years ago and prior to my departure that rumor was going around and the old-timers were also saying it constantly circulates with no merit behind it.

[BSmitty]

The history of federal jurisdiction is interesting. TIGTA (formerly IRS Inspection until the 90s) handles threats, bribes, impersonations, and misconduct involving IRS employees. President Truman created them in the 50s from IRS Intelligence (now CID); Intelligence was started in 1919 with former Postal Inspectors and it handled both tax fraud and misconduct. There have been various proposals to move CID to main Treasury and expand their jurisdiction beyond tax and money laundering; Senator DeConcini threatened to do this when OCDETF was started (early 80s) and IRS burearcrats balked at participating. The bureaucrats relented, and CID became a part of OCDETF- no move to Treasury. ATF had been part of IRS until the early 70s when they became a separate bureau under Treasury. They had been around a long time, working alcohol, then tobacco, then firearms, under Title 26. They had also been the first federal narcotics agents. From my persceptive (started law enforcement in the 60s), if Secret Service wants to dump some of its violations it won't be counterfeiting and TIGTA would be more receptive (then CID) to taking on new jurisdictions such as government check forgery, credit card fraud, identity theft, etc. But they would need a lot more agents.

[Lemming]

IMO, the USSS isnt going to turn over investigations to any other agency. In fact, in the past 10 years, the USSS has been repeatedly pushing in new directions, while maintaining all current investigations. More investigations means more growth, which is exactly what the Service needs.

[GoDirectly2Jail]

Welcome to this month!

[Kimble]

IMO, the USSS isnt going to turn over investigations to any other agency. In fact, in the past 10 years, the USSS has been repeatedly pushing in new directions, while maintaining all current investigations. More investigations means more growth, which is exactly what the Service needs.

So without any introduction of who you are or any profile details, you expect this to be accepted with any sort of authority? Lemming, I'm not trying to be rude, but it's poor ettiquite to come to a web forum and post information you claim to be credible without at least introducing yourself first. Feel free to do so in our Rap Sheets forum.

[Lemming]

I started with IMO. I am sharing my oninion. The whole thread is posters rehashing rumors. Someone's opinion has no place among a thread of rumors?

As far as what I said, I don't need to be a "verified" anything to know it's true. Anyone on this board with contradictory information is welcome to respond. In the past 10 years, the USSS has not dropped one single investigative function, and, in fact, has branched out into computer crimes and identity theft. These are based on press releases sent by the USSS on a near daily basis, highlighting these new areas.

The only area I've seen pullback in investigations, based on news reports, are "419" advance-fee investigations. The reasons cited in news reports are many, but it appears to be based around the difficulty in prosecuting foreign nationals in west African countries.

Go to the website for the USSS, secret service dot gov. Click on Investigations. It's full of this information. Everything I just wrote is found there. Even the difficulty with advance-fee investigations.

As far a introducing myself, I'm just someone who follows the news and various agencies based on my interest in them, not because I work for any of them. Does this mean my research/knowledge is less "credible?" I'm an LE junkie. I have particular issue that disallows me to do anything fun in Law Enforcement. But it doesn't me I don't know anything!

[Big Sexy]

Damn!! It was explained to you about being poor internet forum etiquette and all and introduce yourself. What do you do? You go off on a semi-tirade about being a LE junkie and telling us to go to a website and read it for ourselves.

What part of introduce yourself is the most difficult for you to understand?? Is it the font that you don't understand?? Or are you a poor etiquette junkie as well?? :rolleyes:

[Kimble]

What part of introduce yourself is the most difficult for you to understand?? Is it the font that you don't understand?? Or are you a poor etiquette junkie as well?? :rolleyes:

For real. Sort of hard for anyone here to welcome you when you act like an a$$hole. All I did was steer you in the right direction for joining this site, but suit yourself. :rolleyes:

[ExUSPP]

That rumor has been going around since DHS was created.