Feds and secondary employment

[Ftdtetr]

With the cost of everything increasing these days does anyone know how dhs or any other fed agency is on working a second , part time job?

[Maverick24]

Depends on the agency. Many do not allow moonlighting, others, the job has to be registered and approved by management.

[charlydevo]

You mentioned DHS specifically. ICE generally doesn't allow it.

Join the Reserves. That's the part time job they can't deny.

[Maverick24]

You mentioned DHS specifically. ICE generally doesn't allow it.

Join the Reserves. That's the part time job they can't deny.

Even the reserves is agency specific (although most allow it of course). A few agencies (like the USSS) do not allow active reserve status, only standby or retired reserve.

[Group9]

I won't say it's impossible to get permission for a second job whle working as an 1811 (not talking about the military reserves or NG) but with twenty years as one, I can't ever remember seeing anyone who got it.

[CelicaGuy]

If you are working at the Fed. level, you should look at YOUR cost of living, because Feds get paid very well. Maybe you may need to make a little sacrifices in order make ends meet but that is life!

[MP_Steve]

If you are working at the Fed. level, you should look at YOUR cost of living, because Feds get paid very well. Maybe you may need to make a little sacrifices in order make ends meet but that is life!

Not if you're a GS-0083-06 with no promotion potential.

I think that statement for the most part applies to 1811s, FAMS, USBP, FAMS, LEOs who have potential to GS-11/12 or LEAP, 1811s, FAMS, and 1811s. :D

I don't think your average 083 DAC Cop will agree that he's "paid very well". ;)

[CelicaGuy]

See I learn something new everyday, thanks for the imput, I will not store that in my memory and NEVER talk about fed. LE again! :D

[England]

Even the reserves is agency specific (although most allow it of course). A few agencies (like the USSS) do not allow active reserve status, only standby or retired reserve.

The FBI says that too, however, I know a guy in the 20th SFG that is in the Bureau. Well let me back up, I don't know the guy personally, but I've met him. Maybe it depends on the FO. I don't know

[Nole795]

With the cost of everything increasing these days does anyone know how dhs or any other fed agency is on working a second , part time job?

Most agencies require prior approval from a supervisor in order to work a second detail. Normally there are regulations concerning the secondary job, such as no strip club, places that serve alcohol, adult material, or anything else that may be a conflict of interest or bring unfavorable light to your agency.

I assisted in the development of software that dealt with online predators. Though I did not get paid for my consulting (Stock options instead) I still had to get prior approval from my agency' legal department and my SAC.

[SSA1811]

Guidelines for outside employment are generally covered by the Code of Ethics, Rules of Conduct, Standards for Ethical Conduct, and/or Office of Government Ethics ("OGE") Standards.

Along with the obvious conflict of interest restrictions on outside employment, those in Federal Law Enforcement, specifically those on Law Enforcement Availability Pay ("LEAP") or Administratively Uncontrollable Overtime ("AUO"), must also assure that their outside employment will not impact on their commitment to meet their LEAP or AUO obligations.

As has already been said, approval for a second job is not easy, but it is not impossible. A few years ago I approved a request for an Agent who wanted to accept a paying position on his Condominium Associations Board of Directors. There were no obvious conflicts and it was approved.

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[GitmoVet]

I know a guy who works for Border Patrol and moonlights as a Coyote. I asked if they frowned on that, but he says it's cool. Who knew?:p

[charlydevo]

A friend of mine in ICE was able to do it. He was an EMT on the SRT. He was allowed to ride an ambulance for pay while off duty. He justified it because he needed to keep his certifications up to date. Other than that, I don't know anybody in ICE that has an outside job. I have some friends and acquaintances in other agencies, and none of them have outside employment. Can you get a part time job and justify it by being beneficial to your agency?

[charlydevo]

Even the reserves is agency specific (although most allow it of course). A few agencies (like the USSS) do not allow active reserve status, only standby or retired reserve.

Actually, that decision is not up to the USSS or any other agency. An agency can request that the DOD classify a particular position, such as the 1811 position, as a key position, thus allowing a waiver from USERRA provisions. These requests are almost never approved. The USSS and AFOSI has been able to get that status for it's SA's. The FBI used to try to prevent it's SA's from being a member of the active reserves. A court decision threw that out the window, based on USERRA and a lack of key employee status being approved by the DOD. I don't know about CID and NCIS. I imagine that if the OSI was able to do so, they probably were also.

[BP348]

I know a guy who works for Border Patrol and moonlights as a Coyote. I asked if they frowned on that, but he says it's cool. Who knew?:p

Your going to have to explain that. I personally don't find any referance to a USBP agent working as a coyote to be in any way funny.