Special US Deputy Marshal

[Group9]

On July 7, 2004, the Senate voted to pass H.B. 218 the National Concealed Carry for Cops legislation that was passed by the House on June 23, 2004. On July 22, 2004, President George W. Bush signed into law what is officially entitled the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004. This law allows qualified active (on- or off-duty) and honorably retired law enforcement officers to carry their firearms concealed nationwide.

Yeah, but that doesn't get them federal attorneys representing them, and all of the other benefits of being in the scope of their federal duties when they shoot somebody or something, three states away from where they are an officer. Federal deputization does. And, that is the mainmost reason we do it for the task force officers in my agency, and I suspect, the mainmost reason, most other federal agencies do it.

The second most important reason, is that task force officers can't get OCDETF overtime reimbursement to their agency unless they are deputized.

They also need to have it to legally serve some federal subpeonas and other paperwork (and for a couple of other reasons that do have some OPSEC aspects to them).

We issue credentials and badges to regularly assigned task force officers, but not to those deputized for one specific investigation. The regularly assigned ones also have to go through the SSBI and get a security clearance, (which can be passed in joint investigations) the same as our regular agents. Case specific deputized officers only get a much smaller in scope background check.

[Norm357]

Hmm... never heard of that. :rolleyes:

Most of us, WORKING, don't have time for the time that it would take to confirm that an individual falls under H.R. 218.

Obviously, you have not been to Jersey. Also, H.R.218 does not address the ammo issue... and hollow points are illegal in Jersey.

Hollow points are not illegal in NJ. You just can't carry them in your weapon. How stupid is that?

[schrute]

Hollow points are not illegal in NJ. You just can't carry them in your weapon. How stupid is that?

They're legal to possess in your home (or place of business IIRC) and I'm pretty sure active NJ LEOs can carry them off duty (retired can't). I'm not sure how the law would treat an active out of state officer so federal creds might still be handy for that reason alone.

To my mind, the biggest problem woth the hollow point law here though is that they carry a mandantory 5 or 10 year sentencing enhancement if used in the commission of a crime, and NJ prosecutors and juries are not known to be particularly lenient in determining whar is and is not a justified defensive shooting.

God I love this state.:rolleyes:

[LastChance36]

I don't really want another set of creds anyway. I already have one set from my dept. I keep in a badge case, plus my wallet in the other pocket. I can see maybe an ID card to keep in my case, but there is really no need for a badge. Unless I wear 5.11's everyday and remind myself which badge is in which pocket, it's going to be a challenge if I have to produce my dept. creds in a hurry. :D

[Switchback]

They're legal to possess in your home (or place of business IIRC) and I'm pretty sure active NJ LEOs can carry them off duty (retired can't). I'm not sure how the law would treat an active out of state officer so federal creds might still be handy for that reason alone.

To my mind, the biggest problem woth the hollow point law here though is that they carry a mandantory 5 or 10 year sentencing enhancement if used in the commission of a crime, and NJ prosecutors and juries are not known to be particularly lenient in determining whar is and is not a justified defensive shooting.

God I love this state.:rolleyes:

If I recall, the hollow points can only be in a duty weapon. I think I remember an officer getting charged for having hollow points in a personally owned weapon. It's been a few years since I lived there, but it was all over the news back in the mid-late 90's.

[schrute]

If I recall, the hollow points can only be in a duty weapon. I think I remember an officer getting charged for having hollow points in a personally owned weapon. It's been a few years since I lived there, but it was all over the news back in the mid-late 90's.

I took a look at the statute (N.J.S.A. 2C:39-3(g)) and it appears that the LEO exemption for hollow points only applies on-duty or while travelling to or from work. Here's the actual language.

g.Exceptions. (1) Nothing in subsection a., b., c., d., e., f., j. or k. of this section shall apply to any member of the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard, or except as otherwise provided, to any law enforcement officer while actually on duty or traveling to or from an authorized place of duty, provided that his possession of the prohibited weapon or device has been duly authorized under the applicable laws, regulations or military or law enforcement orders... (there's more but it's not relevant).

I really do hope that I'm reading this wrong or that there is another provision that allows for off duty carry of hollow points but knowing this state, there probably isn't.

[Switchback]

Yeah.. thank God for my federal creds when living in that communist state!

[timberwulf]

Hmm... never heard of that. :rolleyes:

Most of us, WORKING, don't have time for the time that it would take to confirm that an individual falls under H.R. 218.

Obviously, you have not been to Jersey. Also, H.R.218 does not address the ammo issue... and hollow points are illegal in Jersey.

No, I've never been to Jersey. I travel North as little as possible. I'm not sure what you mean by "WORKING," but having records make contact with the subject-in-question's agency wouldn't take that long. The hollow point issue is news to me, and yet another fine example of legislation designed to limit criminals who don't care anyway. I'm glad I live in TN.

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I mean, when you are WORKING (on the job) in Jersey and not a fed, you would not have time for the necessary verifications. It is hardly as simple as a call to a subject's agency.

[timberwulf]

I guess it's a difference in agencies. I work in Knoxville, TN, which is a medium sized city with separate city/county law enforcement. Our records department isn't usually overwhelmed to the point they can't make those kinds inquiries. Which brings me to another question. I've attempted to get verified by PMing RealPolice and Citicop. Any suggestions who else I can have verify my employment for full access to this forum?

[Switchback]

I ran the verification process here. Due to recent develpoments, I havbe given it back to RealPolice. If you do n ot like the timeliness issue, I woudl suggest you PM him and let him know. It's up to him if he wants us to do the verifications again. I can't speak for the others, but I don't care to do them for nothing (not speaking of pay, but in terms of the system's integrity). Perhaps with enough complaints, he will decide if he wants it done properly or not.

...and on a good day when we were doing the verifications, we would have them done in 1-2 days... then you could wait 2 weeks for RP to come around to flip the switch.

[Kimble]

Which brings me to another question. I've attempted to get verified by PMing RealPolice and JakeBP. Any suggestions who else I can have verify my employment for full access to this forum?

Don't do that, dude. Bad form. You're hijacking a thread to go off into an off-topic discussion that would better be suited via PM. Please refrain from hijacking threads in the future.