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    Vanity Fair article on FAMs

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    VANITY FAIR MAGAZINE (FEB 2006) -IN PLANE SIGHT


    By Richard Gooding

    When a disturbed Home Depot paint salesman snapped aboard an American Airlines jet at Miami International Airport in early December, two casually-dressed men leapt from their seats and into the fray. In those frenzied moments before Rigoberto Alpizar was shot and killed, he may, in his confused state, never have realized that those men who were pointing guns at him, ordering him to get down and stop moving, were undercover federal air marshals.

    The air marshals, by design, are a shadowy force, and until this incident they had been an increasingly neglected one. With the urgency in the wake of 9/11 long past, efforts to expand their ranks were shelved as too costly; they’ve been plagued by management problems and poor morale; and within Homeland Security, their agency is treated as a stepchild.

    And the shooting of Rigoberto Alpizar, justified or not, did nothing to answer very real questions about how air marshals would perform face-to-face with the deadly threat they’re trained to thwart. A real terrorist, after all, would never claim he had a bomb. He’d just use it.
    On a heavy travel Sunday last year, I roamed Newark Liberty International Airport and watched for the many ways an air marshal’s most valuable asset – anonymity – can be compromised:

    • These plainclothes members of the Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS) are not allowed to use most e-ticket kiosks, instead having to go to the ticket counter and show their conspicuously large badges.

    • Because they’re armed with a handgun, air marshals bypass metal detectors by going up the exit lane at the security checkpoint, in full view of passengers waiting on the entrance lines.

    • Marshals have to present their IDs a third time at the gate counter.

    • At least one marshal in a team boards even before first-class and “passengers with small children or those needing assistance” – to meet the pilot and crew and inspect the plane for suspicious items. This could take place in the presence of airplane cleaners and food vendors.

    • By the time everyone else boards, the marshals are already in their seats.

    At Newark that day, I sat near enough to one counter to lip-read a man say, “I’m an air marshal,” as he pulled out his wallet and displayed his ID. He was in his mid-30s (as are about 60 percent of marshals; only 4 percent are women), with moderately short hair; he was wearing light khakis and a short black coat and carrying only a small over-the-shoulder bag. He boarded a minute before everyone else.

    One air marshal I spoke to, on the condition that his identity not be revealed (with top-secret clearances, air marshals are forbidden to talk to the press), expressed anxiety about his cover being blown. Putting himself into the mind of a hijacker, he laid out this scenario:

    “I get on a plane, let’s say an L.A.-to-J.F.K. flight, six hours, and I already know where [the marshals] are sitting. I know what they look like. I watched them in the airport – they got paraded by the passengers. . . Eventually, one of them has got to go to the bathroom, right? So the partner goes into the bathroom, and I come up on the guy – one good, swift punch into the carotid artery will render him unconscious. Then I take his gun and wait for his partner to get out of the lav and shoot him. Now I’ve got two weapons.”

    He added, “When that plane’s up in the air, we can’t even hear people walking up the aisles, because of the ambient noise. We’re sitting ducks.”

    Said another marshal, “I’m not saying that none of us could successfully handle the situation, because there’s a chance [the terrorists] could make a mistake. But if they trained properly and were prepared, they could – I have no doubt in my mind – overtake air marshals and take their guns. I have no doubt I could put a team together and do it myself.”

    A pilot for a major airline said the question that needs to be asked is: “Are we really safer with them or without them?”

    The history of air marshals offers no clear-cut lesson.

    Since the world’s first hijacking, in 1931, there have reportedly been some attempts 1,000 worldwide. Sky cops are known to have successfully stopped only a handful.

    The Israelis did it most famously in 1970, when officers on an El Al flight thwarted part of the spectacular Dawson’s Field plot by Palestinian terrorists to seize four jetliners.

    In July 2000, security forces on a Royal Jordanian flight shot and killed a man brandishing a gun and a hand grenade. The grenade blew, injuring 15 passengers, but the plane landed safely.

    But the presence of air marshals has contributed to two mass tragedies. In 1985 a security officer aboard EgyptAir Flight 648 exchanged gunfire with Arab terrorists. After bullets pierced the fuselage, the plane was forced down in Malta, where a commando raid led to the death of 57 passengers. A year later, a firefight between guards and grenade-wielding terrorists erupted aboard an Iraqi Airways jet. Sixty-two people were killed.

    Hijacking was not always viewed in the U.S. as misguided. Eastern Europeans fleeing Communism in the late 40s and anti-Castro Cubans escaping the island in the late 50s were for all intents and purposes applauded. But after the Bay of Pigs invasion, in 1961, the direction of most Cuban hijackings – and Washington’s attitude – shifted, as a mixed bag of homesick refugees and militants defied the U.S. travel ban by seizing planes and demanding, “Take me to Havana!”

    President John F. Kennedy put the first armed guards in American skies that year, and Congress made hijacking a death-penalty crime. In 1968 the first formal “sky marshal” program was created as part of the Federal Aviation Administration (F.A.A.). The next year there were 33 domestic hijackings, making it the worst year ever.

    In 1985, Congress reconstituted and expanded the force, though increased overall security measures (and a 1973 U.S.-Cuba extradition treaty) had made air piracy rare in the U.S. Not so overseas: the next six years were the deadliest ever in air terrorism – until 9/11 – with more than 1,200 people killed in politically motivated incidents, including the Libyan bombing of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in December 1988, with 270 lives lost.

    Prior to 9/11, the last hijacking in the U.S. was in 1991, and the ranks of marshals dropped precipitously through the decade. On 9/11, the U.S. had a mere 33 air marshals – not one of them on domestic duty.

    Once in every decade since its inception, the U.S. air marshals program has had to start over nearly from scratch, and always in response to yesterday’s threats. In 1985, it was the horror of TWA Flight 847, when Hezbollah Shiites tortured and killed U.S. Navy diver Robert Stethem before dumping his body onto a tarmac in Beirut. In the 90s, it was reacting to Lockerbie and bombs abroad. In 2001, suicide hijackings at home.

    Six days after 9/11, the F.A.A. began to plan again for a breakneck beefing up of the service. (FAMS, now part of the Department of Homeland Security, has been bumped from one bureaucracy to another within that monolith twice in the last three years.) By the following July, it was to be at full strength, with a force of as many as 4,000. (The actual figure is classified; some media reports say it’s less than that.)

    In those unsettling months, over 200,000 Americans flooded the government with job applications. The air marshals I’ve talked to say they were responding to that urge we all had then of wanting to do something – something when little more than shop-and-spend was being offered by our nation’s leaders.

    Yet even as more Americans than ever are flying – by 2004 domestic-airline passenger levels topped the pre-9/11 record – confidence in FAMS, with an annual budget of about $680 million, has slipped. Before the Miami shooting, the agency almost invariably attracted negative headlines: THE AIR MARSHALS’ MESS; AIR MARSHAL LOSES BADGE, ID, GUN LICENSE IN BAR; MARSHAL INDICTED IN ROAD RAGE INCIDENT; AIR MARSHALS DODGE “SUIT NAZIS.”

    For three years, no issue drew more ink and heat than the agency’s absurdly formal dress code which made child’s’ play out of spotting marshals in our midst.

    Even after Congress directed FAMS, a year ago, to ensure that “no procedure, guideline, rule, regulation, or other policy shall expose the identity of an air marshal,” the agency’s field offices were still churning out stern memos. “Every FAM assigned to this office,” said a Miami memo in December 2004, “is expected to have with them and wear, at a minimum, a sports-coat. Not ‘a coat’ – a sports coat. . . Buttoned shirts with collars and neatly pressed slacks with leather shoes are also a part of the minimum standard.”

    The situation boiled over on Thanksgiving Day 2004 when the FAMS director, Thomas Quinn, went to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport to laud his troops for working the holiday, and several air marshals instead found themselves disciplined for their too casual attire.

    At the time, agency spokesman David Adams defended the code to me, arguing that if a marshal was disguised like Al Pacino in Serpico “you’re going to have a ‘Let’s roll!’ phenomenon, because no one’s going to believe him.” (It was Todd Beamer, aboard United Flight 93 on 9/11, who yelled, "Let's roll!," urging his fellow passengers to take on the hijackers moments before the plane crashed near Shanksville, Pennsylvania.)

    Thomas Quinn has labeled air marshals who’ve complained to the press about policies as “a small number of disgruntled individuals who are total amateurs.” At least one marshal caught talking to a reporter was fired.

    Yet the marshals I was able to interview say the agency does have a morale problem. Many on the force are in their mid-30s, with years of prior experience, often as undercover agents with a good deal of on-the-job autonomy, and they’ve chafed in the more controlled environment of FAMS “It doesn’t help when they treat us like kindergartners,” one marshal told me. “Guys are getting really pissed off.”

    Several aviation-security experts who keep a close watch on the agency agree that all’s not well there. One, who asked that his name not be used because he has known Quinn for years, told me FAMS has “some good people, no doubt about it. But at the very top there are problems. The leadership, in my opinion, is outdated.”

    The “malcontent” put-down is “a typical Tom Quinn response,” he said. “That’s not how you manage people – everybody that has a problem is not a malcontent.”

    According to the former Homeland Security inspector general, Clark Kent Ervin, that posture of disparaging critics permeates the whole department. As the agency’s internal watchdog, he turned out a series of tough reports – only to be effectively dismissed by the White House after just a year on the job.

    “The attitude I got at the department time and again,” Ervin told me, “was ‘We don’t want to hear bad news. . . . Either ignore the problem or deny it exists, or minimize it, or ridicule it, or claim it has already been fixed and our reports are old news.’”

    When I asked Adams about Ervin’s August 2004 report criticizing the FAMS’ background-checking process (he cited 753 documented instances, including marshals’ lying, losing their guns, drinking, using drugs, and sleeping on duty), the spokesman, as if on cue, called it inaccurate, outdated, “grandstanding,” and “one big package of sensationalism.”

    The 59-year-old Quinn, who bears a resemblance to Clint Eastwood, is a 20-year veteran of the Secret Service, whose career included heading up Senator Ted Kennedy’s protection detail when he ran for president, in 1980.

    But his more recent past reveals a twist worthy of a new scene in Fahrenheit 9/11: the man in charge of one of America’s key countermeasures to attacks carried out largely by Saudi nationals, worked for Saudi Arabian royalty before taking the FAMS job, in January 2002.

    His FAMS biography doesn’t mention it, recording only that three years after retiring from the Secret Service, in 1989, he started his own security-and-investigation firm in New York, with clients ranging “from corporations to the United States and allied governments.” But Adams confirmed it to me. “He worked for the Saudis,” he said. “Did security for them. . . one of the princes.”

    (Through Adams, Vanity Fair twice requested an interview with Quinn, who rarely talks to the press. Both times he declined.)

    Quinn took a slew of Secret Service buddies with little experience in aviation security with him to the air marshals, according to one knowledgeable source.

    There was more to it than the appeal of working for a former colleague. Under a little-known legal loophole, Secret Service retirees were once allowed to take a new federal job and collect both their salary and their full pension. Congress put an end to the “double dip” loophole in 1984, but grandfathered in those already on the job, so the perk remained in effect as late as 2004 for anyone retiring after 20 years of service.

    As of March 2003, according to government figures, 81 former Secret Service agents (Adams included) had been hired by FAMS, many in supervisory positions.

    Quinn is now making $162,100; one expert estimates his Secret Service pension to be around $60,000. Together, that’s more than a Supreme Court justice earns. (The average air-marshal salary is about $72,000, but pay can top $80,000 – generally more than the compensation for other federal law-enforcement agents.)

    “It’s totally legal, and there’s nothing wrong with it,” said Adams. “We retired, and because of the law, there was an opportunity for us to serve the government in another agency.” He added, “We feel we are here to mentor the troops and to make them the future leaders” of the service. “We’re not going to be here forever.”

    At least some air marshals aren’t inclined to wait. A public (but unauthorized) Internet forum is full of postings by anonymous marshals calling for Quinn’s ouster and blasting the Secret Service Men in Black mentality for the agency’s ills.

    A former head of security at the F.A.A., Billie Vincent, agreed, saying that the agency “is a blooming, flaming mess at the moment, and it’s due solely to the leadership.” He told me the first step forward “is to fire Tom Quinn.”

    In Herndon, Virginia, a few miles east of Washington Dulles International Airport, workers inside a nondescript building that doesn’t bear the FAMS nameplate communicate with the agency’s sky cops, analyze their airport-surveillance reports, and schedule their flights. Air marshals ride shotgun on a little bit of everything but focus on “targeted critical flights” – fuel-heavy planes like the ones used on 9/11, those on certain overseas routes, and a wide range of flights into Washington and New York.

    According to some estimates, air marshals fly on as many as half of those critical flights. For the some 30,000 flights a day, Quinn has put the figure at “more than 5 percent”; some experts believe it’s less.

    Air marshals’ schedules are prepared 28 days in advance (they fly 5 days a week; a workday can run 10 hours or longer, depending on delays), but the service claims to be able to make last-minute changes based on “actionable information” from its Intelligence Branch. Just how much actionable intelligence is ever produced in Washington, however, is debatable.

    John MacGaffin, a 31-year C.I.A. veteran who became that agency’s number-two clandestine-operations officer and later a senior adviser to the F.B.I., told the 9/11 commission that, owing to the inability to infiltrate al-Qaeda within the U.S., even two years after 9/11, domestic intelligence was still alarmingly scarce.

    In an interview, MacGaffin, now an independent security consultant, said the ideal type of intelligence comes from a recruited source in the innermost councils of al-Qaeda: “Tomorrow. Flight 337. Five guys with beards and Iranian passports with the following numbers are gonna. . . .” The other extreme, he said, goes like this: “Something bad’s going to happen someday, someplace.” But the former scenario almost never happens, he said, and in the latter, the tip is “of no use at all. . . . You say, ‘Oh, ****,’ and go back to sleep.”

    It’s all the rest of the intelligence that causes headaches. “It’s somebody the F.B.I. caught on a drug sting – true story – in England or in Europe,” recalled MacGaffin, “who, not wanting to go to jail, said, ‘I know something really important,’” that “some Iranians, or some Middle Easterners, are doing something on a flight from Boston to San Francisco to Manila tomorrow or the next day, or maybe it’s Boston–Chicago–Malaysia.”

    That warning sent officials scrambling. “I know [the information] is wacko,” MacGaffin said, “but just what if it’s true? So you pass it on. Intelligence, like ****, runs downhill.”

    Larry Johnson, an ex-C.I.A. analyst, former deputy director of the State Department’s counterterrorism office, and now managing director of BERG Associates L.L.C., an international business-consulting firm, said, “The odds that you’re ever going to get any kind of useful, actionable intelligence, I think, are between slim and none.”

    So far, American air marshals have never had to prove themselves against any real hijackers or terrorists.

    There were no marshals aboard American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami in December 2001 when Richard Reid tried to ignite his “shoe bomb”; he was subdued by flight attendants and passengers. And of the some 40 arrests made by air marshals since 9/11, none had any link to terrorism.

    Far from it. One was an Illinois businessman who was busted on a federal assault charge for hassling a flight attendant after he stood up during a United Airlines flight and pointed out which passengers he thought were marshals. (He faced six months in prison but got off with a year’s probation.) A Pittsburgh woman was carried off a Northwest Airlines flight after talking about the plane blowing up, and attempting to choke an air marshal who tried to calm her. In court, she blamed booze: “My memory is not that clear of that day.” (Facing 20 years, she got eight months.)

    Wise guys, abusive drunks, air-ragers: air marshals are trained to stay out of the fray if at all possible; it might be a ruse – terrorists trying to smoke out the marshals as a prelude to an attack. If Rigoberto Alpizar hadn’t allegedly uttered the word “bomb,” he might have been allowed to run off the plane unharmed.

    The only other time marshals are known to have even drawn a weapon was in August 2002, when two agents went all out in restraining an unruly passenger on a Delta flight to Philadelphia. For the last 30 or 40 minutes of the flight, one held the entire coach section at gunpoint. “A little bit of Rambo in the air,” one terrified passenger remarked.

    But for most of an air marshal’s time – hundreds of flights, thousands of hours in the air – nothing happens. As George Novak, a former F.A.A. attorney who once taught legal courses for air marshals and is now works as a consultant on airline safety, put it, an air marshal’s daily grind is lonelier and “than a beat cop’s,” and “not as glamorous, not as exciting. . . You don’t get any accolades for being a deterrent.”

    “One of the most courageous things I know of,” Cathal “Irish” Flynn, who oversaw the F.A.A.’s air-marshal program from 1993 to 2000, told me, “is that the president, the secretary of transportation, and the administrator of the F.A.A. put the planes back in the air three days after 9/11.

    “How the hell could they know [it was safe]? Because I bet that the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. were being wishy-washy as hell. . . . They put the planes back. And people flew.”

    But the threat to air travel remains, despite all the post-9/11 security measures – from reinforced (but not impregnable) cockpit doors and tighter (yet anything but foolproof) passenger and baggage screening to air marshals and some armed pilots. Spending billions more to try to close the significant gaps that remain – most egregiously, the inability to consistently spot plastic explosives in carry-on luggage – won’t necessarily eliminate it.

    There are wild cards working against a terrorist. There could be more air marshals on a plane than he can identify. And there could be one or more of the hundreds of federal law-enforcement officers – F.B.I., Secret Service, drug agents, or even a state taxicab inspector – who are permitted to fly armed on government business every day. Plus, there is the remarkable phenomenon, born of Todd Beamer, of the post-9/11 vigilance of passengers.

    But, said Flynn’s predecessor, General O. K. Steele, “anybody who wants to create a sensational thing” is still going to try to find a way to go after a jetliner, if for no other reason than the dramatic difference between “falling out of the air at 35,000 feet. . . and, say, a train wreck.”

    And provocative new targets – such as the Airbus A380, with its 800-passenger capacity – are always in the wings.

    Steele, 73, who until recently did consulting work on aviation security, also argued that airlines are an attractive target because they at least attempt to fly on precise schedules. “That plane that was late on 9/11,” he said, referring to United Flight 93. “Remember, it was delayed about 40 minutes. That’s what probably saved Washington.”

    Predictability works in the terrorists’ favor, he said. The air marshals’ challenge is to be as unpredictable as possible.

    “The deterrent,” said Steele, “is that your adversary never knows when he may have to contend with this. . . . He’s going to have to increase the number of people he may need to take over that airplane, and thereby increase our chances of picking up at least one or two of those guys beforehand – before they get on.”

    That, he said, should be the ultimate goal: to nab terrorists on the ground – not to have to fight them in the air.

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    There are wild cards working against a terrorist. There could be more air marshals on a plane than he can identify. And there could be one or more of the hundreds of federal law-enforcement officers – F.B.I., Secret Service, drug agents, or even a state taxicab inspector – who are permitted to fly armed on government business every day. Plus, there is the remarkable phenomenon, born of Todd Beamer, of the post-9/11 vigilance of passengers.
    Oh please tell me that's a bit of poetic license.....In NYC, Taxi and Limousine Commission (TLC) Inspectors couldn't even summons Mike Wallace without having to lock him up for discon - you want those folks flying armed? :rolleyes:

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    Interesting read, though I still find it troubling when articles like this give readers specific ways to "spot" an air marshal. :rolleyes:

    I've heard that the terrorists know about marshals being there and are training to overcome them, and it seems that articles that tell one how to spot them make it all the more easier for them to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROS
    Interesting read, though I still find it troubling when articles like this give readers specific ways to "spot" an air marshal.
    From what the article says, they can already be easily spotted.
    Quote Originally Posted by intheaircop2
    • These plainclothes members of the Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS) are not allowed to use most e-ticket kiosks, instead having to go to the ticket counter and show their conspicuously large badges.

    • Because they’re armed with a handgun, air marshals bypass metal detectors by going up the exit lane at the security checkpoint, in full view of passengers waiting on the entrance lines.

    • Marshals have to present their IDs a third time at the gate counter.

    • At least one marshal in a team boards even before first-class and “passengers with small children or those needing assistance” – to meet the pilot and crew and inspect the plane for suspicious items. This could take place in the presence of airplane cleaners and food vendors.

    • By the time everyone else boards, the marshals are already in their seats.
    I'm so bomb, Iran can't have me.

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    That's what he's talking about Redman.
    LoL... From now on I'll always refer to Redman as "Captain Obvious." :D
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    That's Mr. Captain Obvious to you :D .

    The point I was trying to make was that the article didn't reveal some national security top secret way to tell who the FAMS were. It just reinterated the obvious signs which would lead a reasonable person to believe they were looking at a FAM if they saw any of these signs, even if they didn't read this article. After what happened in Miami, the reporters even brought up this subject and made it clear how to spot them.
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    I've only flown twice in the last 15 years so I wasnt looking for them but if I had a lot of flight experience I would think that those signs of a FAM seem pretty obvious.

    Atleast by showing this, they may rethink their procedures to something a little less obvious.

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    I agree with ROS. I am not a fam but i often fly armed, on both work-related and personal trips, and i often get "thank you for what you do" or the ever curious thousand yard stare from other passengers whom are playing connect the dots in their minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redman
    The point I was trying to make was that the article didn't reveal some national security top secret way to tell who the FAMS were.
    It may not be a state secret, but that doesn't mean it should be broadcast to the general public. The identity of a FAM falls under similar issues as revealing tactics related to officer safety. The FAM is there to work undercover, and while it may be possible to spot one, reporting an article in the mass media that informs readers of how to do so is not only inappropriate, it also could compromise the security of the FAM's safety in the event of an actual attack.

    Imagine for a moment that an Al Quaeda operative is boarding a flight. He overhears someone asking another passenger, "Are you an air marshal?" because the person noticed some of these things. Well, that's one less job the terrorist has to do (i.e. identify those that will be looking to deter his mission).

    The media is out for a story, period. If it compromises the safety or duties of those who work to secure us all... so be it. :rolleyes:
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    Much of the info out there already has been put out by FAMS management and their PIO tool Dave Adams. I do not know the link but there was a video clip on the internet of a story that some Ft. Lauderdale TV station did of the entire airliner takedown scenario. The SAC of the Miami office allowed these reporters to sit in on a training scenario and film it. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! To top it off the one voice of reason, who was SAC of the ATL office, was sacked (no pun intended) for allowing his people to dress down and for speaking out against the ex-Director Tom Quinn.
    Long story short...as a FAM I hold our &*^% ex-Secret Service managers accountable for any violations of opsec that has come out to date. The SACs and Directors and all their cronies can easily just say NO when asked for information or a story. No info=no story and no opsec leaks.
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    SOMETIMES you may be able to spot 'em, MANY times no. I was traveling for work recently, and there were 6 of us armed on the flight!!! Pilot, couple FAMS, Me & partner, and another fedleo. It was just a coincidence. You never know. There was a guy on the flight that fit the "profile" of a FAM, but he wasn't a LEO at all! You never know

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    Any MEDIA article written is used as a SPIN control tool to PROMOTE the Agency and the mission ... why do you think RELALITY TV shows (COPS, Dog the Bounty Hunter, DALLAS SWAT, etc.) are popular ...

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    I've had passengers flat out ask me why I got to board with the people in wheelchairs and mothers with small kids. I always say, "I don't know, they just told me, too."

    I had one pilot, shortly after 9-11, come back, after all the passengers were seated, and tell me, "If there is any trouble, I expect you to do what you need to do."

    After he left, one of the passengers asked me what he meant, and I said I was a refrigeraror repairman and they had been having trouble with the one in the plane. One passenger just nodded, and the other one said, "I don't think that's what he meant. I think I know what he meant, and I'm glad your on the plane."

    I worked in an interdiction group in a major airport for three years, and you see a lot of strange stuff at the screening ports. And, most of it makes you want to take the bus. :D
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