Fbi

[Valor55]

Just glanced at a couple posts on this thread. Couple comments if I may. "Truth is most law enforcement officers in this country wouldn't work for that agency if they offered us the job." ?? I don't know about that one. Also the FBI is respected. Its the best S/A job there is. They have the toughest requirments and they only take the best. If you see an FBI SA you know that guy is squared away and has a helluva resume to boast. Others like ICE and USSS ...either don't require as much experience, or don't have a poly, etc.

These are completely subjective assertions you've made. None of them are based in any kind of reality. If you read this entire thread you will read numerous law enforcement officers from local and federal in numerous different investigative capacities. All of them have said that while they have met some good FBI SA's the culture of the agency and the majority of SA's are damaged to the point nobody likes working with that agency. Forgive me if I take all of our professional experiences over your assertions gleaned from public relations propaganda.

[eff-bee-eye]

Its the best S/A job there is. They have the toughest requirments and they only take the best. If you see an FBI SA you know that guy is squared away and has a helluva resume to boast. Others like ICE and USSS ...either don't require as much experience, or don't have a poly, etc.

... the culture of the agency and the majority of SA's are damaged to the point nobody likes working with that agency.

Sobie, I appeciate you trying to "stick up" for the FBI. But I don't think comments like that on an open forum are helping the cause very much. If you want to brag with me in the office for kicks, that is one thing....but it is the elitist comments like this that put the lump of coal in our stockings.

I think these are both very subjective statements. I highly doubt this Federal Questions section was created for "This agency is the best", or "That agency sucks". Valor, and others have made it clear...It is evident that the majority of LE folks on RPforums are not very fond of the Bureau. Point taken. Merry Christmas all.

[Valor55]

Valor, and others have made it clear...It is evident that the majority of LE folks on RPforums are not very fond of the Bureau. Point taken. Merry Christmas all.

I will concur with everyone else. I have met some really nice SA's. The place needs more good agents who can help change the culture. Maybe with guys like you going in with eyes wide open you will be able help fix things. I hope you can and do.

[Kimble]

Point taken. Merry Christmas all.

Maybe with guys like you going in with eyes wide open you will be able help fix things. I hope you can and do.

... and with that, they all lived happily ever after! :p

I feel like we should all be holding hands and singing Christmas carols (but I am NOT suggesting that we do that).

[K-9MALY]

For a lot of officers, they will never have the experience of working with the FBI, or just being run rough shod over by them is more like it. Bad taste is how I describe my interactions with them, and unfortunately, I do have to have work with them on certain things. No apology here, I don't care for them one i-o-da!

[jarobins]

I used to work a lot of fraud cases with the FBI and actually enjoyed working with the majority of the guys in the RA. In my experience the guys giving the FBI a bad reputation often times were the ones who seemed to get the most attention.

If you see an FBI SA you know that guy is squared away and has a helluva resume to boast.

This reminds me of an FBI agent that I worked a few cases with. He was a tax attorney prior to joining the FBI and ended up an in RA that worked a lot of drug cases. Unfortunately he was out of his element, which wasn't helped by the fact that he had business cards printed up that said "Special Agent John Doe, Esquire". :rolleyes:

The other SA's in the office ragged on him so much he finally had to change the cards.

[Swat1]

Just glanced at a couple posts on this thread. Couple comments if I may. "Truth is most law enforcement officers in this country wouldn't work for that agency if they offered us the job." ?? I don't know about that one. Also the FBI is respected. Its the best S/A job there is. They have the toughest requirments and they only take the best. If you see an FBI SA you know that guy is squared away and has a helluva resume to boast. Others like ICE and USSS ...either don't require as much experience, or don't have a poly, etc.

Somebody drank the Kool Aid:D

Swat1*

[retdetsgt]

No, I absolutely do not have a closed mind approach to all of this.

You seem to continually reject the notion that the rest of us dislike the FBI for valid reasons. Your hiring envy theory was a good example of ignoring all the reasons we've been stating and coming up with something out of thin air.

As I keep saying, I sincerely hope you have a great career with the FBI. But based on numerous experiences with the bureau, if any other federal agent comes to my home they will be treated with the greatest respect and cooperation. If an FBI agent comes to my door, I'll simply ask if they have a warrant and if not, I'll close the door. And I didn't pull that idea out of thin air, but based on past relationships, that would be the smart thing for me to do. I simply don't trust them to tell me the truth after so many instances of being lied to and seeing them lie to the public. I have never had that kind of negative experience with any federal LE agency other than the FBI. And those times have been numerous enough to give me that attitude.

[Sobie28]

Haha, ok ok, I guess I was a little over the top in asserting that "everyone" would want a job with the FBI. I was just caught off gaurd by all the anti-FBI talk. That said I still think the FBI is the best S/A gig.....for investigations. They have the most "juice" out of any other FLEA out there. Therefore they get the best cases. The USSS is not primarily investigation based and even when they are its for a 100 dollar check fraud. ICE is too new and is searching for its identity. Of course ATF and DEA have their nitch , but for an overall scope of investigations....I still have to go with FBI.

[Switchback]

That said I still think the FBI is the best S/A gig.....for investigations. They have the most "juice" out of any other FLEA out there. Therefore they get the best cases. The USSS is not primarily investigation based and even when they are its for a 100 dollar check fraud. ICE is too new and is searching for its identity. Of course ATF and DEA have their nitch , but for an overall scope of investigations....I still have to go with FBI.

Sobie, you really should do your homework a little more before you speak. Not only are you making all your arguments based on extremely narrow stereotypes, they appear to be stereo types spoon-fed to you by the FBI. All the while, most of us are basing our statements on EXPERIENCE. If you would like us to explain the difference, it would be easier if you pulled your head out of... ah, nevermind... the brainwashing appears to be complete anyways.


FWIW, I have had more than a couple guys (FBI) tell me that they would love to have my job... a lowly Deputy US Marshal on a fugitive task force. And, FYI, they come to us when they have a hard time catching the guys... and we get them with a smile.

[Swat1]

I still think the FBI is the best S/A gig.....for investigations. They have the most "juice" out of any other FLEA out there. Therefore they get the best cases. The USSS is not primarily investigation based and even when they are its for a 100 dollar check fraud. ICE is too new and is searching for its identity. Of course ATF and DEA have their nitch , but for an overall scope of investigations....I still have to go with FBI.

Are you an 1811? As an ICE SA, who worked as an FBI Task Force Agent for 6 years, I beg to differ. The reality is, it depends on what kind of cases you are working, i.e. what group/squad/unit you are assigned to regardless of agency. Sure the FBI can assert jurisdiction in a wide variety of cases, but I can't think of any I would like to work that my agency doesn't already have. Civil Rights violations - Nope; Computer Intrusions - Nope; White Collar - well we already do some related to money laundering oversees, but the majority of white collar cases I have no interest in; etc.

There are FBI Agents assigned to work white collar cases (or others) who hate it. There are others who love it. So it all depends on what YOU want to do. Making a blanket statement that they have the best SA gig is definately not true. Back before the merger into ICE, I can personally think of six FBI agents who came over to Customs because they were sick of the bureau. I have never known a Customs agent to go the other way, although I am sure there are some.

I happen to be very happy working Child Sexual Exploitation cases and although the FBI has an overlapping jurisdiction in these cases you couldn't pay me enough to work the same cases over there. The bureaucracy is unbelievable and downright stifling over there.

At least at my office, I have found that ICE is more like a local PD detective division than a federal agency (and that's the way I like it). The bureaucracy is far lesser, we will actually roll out after hours when requested by local le, we actually share our reports/evidence/intelligence, etc.

I am very proud to say that if you came to Portland and asked just about any local PD detective about their experiences with the FBI v.s. ICE you will find hands down that they would rather work with us. I don't say that to be cocky, etc. I say it because I hear it from local LE all the time. When we work with a PD for the first time they are usually amazed at the way we work with them, not around them or in spite of them. They draw the parallels not us.

On the other hand, I wish ICE's management would get their crap together. I personally don't want to work Immigration matters in any way shape or form. I'm just not interested. I see it as spinning wheels in the sand (border sand). So, I surely have the possibility of ending up doing something I don't want to do in my own agency. If I ever get assigned to such a group, I will have to think about my options and go from there. But, right now, I couldn't be happier putting pedophiles in prison, running and gunning.:D

Swat1*

[eff-bee-eye]

You seem to continually reject the notion that the rest of us dislike the FBI for valid reasons. Your hiring envy theory was a good example of ignoring all the reasons we've been stating and coming up with something out of thin air.

As I keep saying, I sincerely hope you have a great career with the FBI. But based on numerous experiences with the bureau, if any other federal agent comes to my home they will be treated with the greatest respect and cooperation. If an FBI agent comes to my door, I'll simply ask if they have a warrant and if not, I'll close the door...

Wait, and you called me closed-minded? Sorry RetDetSgt, but that last statement is the most closed-minded opinion I've heard in this thread.

You're bitter towards the FBI, we all get it. Your bitterness seems to be valid, and based on your personal experiences, and I don't think anyone is unclear on where you stand.

I never meant to imply that any one in this thread did not have valid reasons for their dislike towards the FBI. Cheers.

[Jynkxxie]

Well O.k.

This is off topic and over discussed.