1811's (50% investigations)

[intheaircop2]

I was told in order for a postion in the Federal govt. to even be considered to be 1811 series is that the agent would have to spend more than 50% of his/her duties investigating?? Now I was told that today by my ATSAC(Fed Air Marshal ,ex-1811). Now if this is true than how do SS agents meet this and how about Deputy US Marshals because SS do alot of protective details and Deputy US Marshals do alot of details for the US courts and watching and transporting of inmates????????

[tomahawk134]

There may be some confusion with the percentage numbers. Many 1811 positions have the standard (investigative experience) job performance indicator in the job description.

In plain english, you will have to write on your OF-612, you qualify at the (insert GS Grade level here) and meet the job qualifications through the following job experience (insert job experience to be considered for the position).

Federal Job Descriptions (Secret Service, US Marshal Service) have primary and secondary duites. If the position is rated as a 1811 position, DO NOT QUESTION how the position meets the investigative standard? OPM rates the position and yes Secret Service and US Marshal Service are 1811 series.

I hope this helps if you have questions, please let me know

[USNusp9]

Not an 1811 but from what I have seen SS 1811's do alot of investigations. Field offices conduct investigations regarding counterfeiting of currency, threats on the president, etc. In fact in Bourbon Missouri a 6th grader was arrested for threatening the President in a letter he wrote. It was the SS that investigated this and noted that all threats against the President are taken seriously.

[Valor55]

Secret Service Agents are expected to maintain their case loads while doing their details as well. I talked to one standing on post once and they told me that even though they are travelling and working details they still keep up on their cases.

[Switchback]

... how do SS agents meet this and how about Deputy US Marshals because SS do alot of protective details and Deputy US Marshals do alot of details for the US courts and watching and transporting of inmates????????

If you did a little digging, you would find that there are 2 series of Deputy U.S. Marshals. There are 082s and 1811s. While the 082 can do most things that an 1811 does (they are NOT investigators), their duties tend to revolve around prisoner-related duties. This frees 1811s up for investigations. It is a lot more common these days to find Deputy U.S. Marshals assigned full-time to their respective warrant squads and task forces. There have been several regional fugitive task forces pop up in the last few years. Hit the USMS webpage for more info on them.

[Group9]

Secret Service agents, except for those assigned to a protection detail or who are assigned TFY to a protection detail in campaign season, spend almost all of their time conducting investigations. The investigate credit card fraud, counterfeiting, and forgery of government instruments, to name just a few of their violations.

Most of the ones I have known consider themselves investigators who occassionally have to do bodyguarding work rather than the other way around.

I think the problem with air marshals is that they have no violations to investigate other than attempted hijacking of an aircraft. The could have designed the FAM program, and it probably would have been a better way to do it, to have given them some investigative responsiblities regarding terroristic threats to air travel or something where guarding flights was not a full time job. That, or to have just given some existing investigative agency the job and let them hire more agents to handle the added responsibilities.

[intheaircop2]

The only thing that gets me is even if something did happen on my plane, I would do what I had to do to get the plane on the ground ASAP, and then it seems like I have no authority as soon as the plane door opens. The FBI normaly takes over. It does not matter what I think but it seems like a good idea that the FBI just give the FAM service the investigative side to crimes commited on all commercial aircraft. Just my 2 cents.

[Sleuth]

Just think of the planning nightmares if you had to carry a case load. "I can't fly this week, I MAY have a court date." "Sorry boss, my source just called, and I can't make that flight." "I was on a surveillence all night, so I can't fly and stay awake all day."
No, the FAMs have a non-investigative misson, and that is a good thing.

[tunlrat]

Gotta respectfully disagree. If the USSS can protect their principals & still carry a case load, I think the FAMS should too.

Just my $0.02...

[fedhopeful]

Gotta respectfully disagree. If the USSS can protect their principals & still carry a case load, I think the FAMS should too.

Just my $0.02...

ditto. USSS solves this issue. Why should FAMS be any different. It's not really that difficult. Plane nexus, it should go to FAMS for investigation. Other agencies have plenty of other cases to address.

[LEOWannabe]

ditto. USSS solves this issue. Why should FAMS be any different. It's not really that difficult. Plane nexus, it should go to FAMS for investigation. Other agencies have plenty of other cases to address.

I gotta disagree. Hijacking a plane isnt like a carjacking. Usually it is much bigger than just the actual act of hijacking. Although sometimes it is just an indiviual acting for personal gain (D.B. Cooper), most of the time it is a terrorist act. Terrorism falls under the jurisdiction of the FBI. Let the FBI investigate crimes involving our nations airlines.

[USNusp9]

Perhaps the FAMS could have some sort of promotion or assignment change that would make it similar to a local police department. There are patrolmen that are out on the streets and there are detectives who investigate. If the FAMS did a tour of flying and then rotated out to do investigations perhaps it would be beneficial. I have heard that a lot of FAMs are dissapointed at the lack of upward mobility in the agency.

[fedhopeful]

Perhaps the FAMS could have some sort of promotion or assignment change that would make it similar to a local police department. There are patrolmen that are out on the streets and there are detectives who investigate. If the FAMS did a tour of flying and then rotated out to do investigations perhaps it would be beneficial. I have heard that a lot of FAMs are dissapointed at the lack of upward mobility in the agency.

Exactly. I'm not saying every single fam should investigate. But I am saying FAMS as an agency should have that authority to designate and have investigators within for anything with a commercial airline nexus.

[LEOWannabe]

Exactly. I'm not saying every single fam should investigate. But I am saying FAMS as an agency should have that authority to designate and have investigators within for anything with a commercial airline nexus.

Like I said,
Hijacking Airplane=Terrorism
Terrorism=FBI

Dont make things more complicated then they need to be. There is already enough problems with comunications in FLE. Saying the FAMS investigate terrorism if it happens in one place and the FBI investigates terrorism if it occurs in another place is ridiculous.

[intheaircop2]

I am not saying that all FAMs have to investigate every crime. I mean maybe if I make an arrest on a drunk passenger who maybe beat up a flight attendent. Well maybe a FAM who is not flying full time can do the case. It just seems kind of stupid for a FBI agent to handel the case when they allready have their hands full. I mean if it is a hijacking then by all means the FBI can take the lead. I do not knw if you guys know but every arrest we make is allways handed over to the FBI.