Pentagon?

[tunlrat]

Anyone know the current working conditions for the Pentagon Police? How are such things as morale, work schedule (5-8, 4-10, 3-12), & off duty carry? :rolleyes:

[Piggy]

This is third-hand information. Morale has vastly improved since Post 9/11. They get what they need. They have quite a few specialty units. Not sure about the work schedule. And you can carry off duty, since HR218 was passed.

Here is the website:
http://www.pfpa.mil/ppd.html

[acreature]

Last I heard, Pentagon Police still had to secure their carry weapons at the Pentagon before leaving. Hopefully someone from Pentagon can confirm this. I know that a few used to lurk here.

That's hammered up. IOW, they can't carry period, off-duty? DC have strict gun laws like NY?

[Piggy]

Is that how they are getting around not allowing off duty carry by Police Officers, taking away their ID? I figured they would find some way to get around it.

The VA never allowed Officers to carry off duty, but since HR218 passed they allow us to carry our personal weapons and secure them on station. It's a friggin miracle.

[Ranger__101]

The one item on HR 218 is that Law Enforcement Officers MAY carry off duty. It leaves it open to the department discression if they wish to have their officers carry off duty.

That or a department could have as a condition of employment that there is no off duty carry. Basically HR 218 was put in place to override state laws that did not permit any type of conceled carry or requirements that were very difficult to get a carry permit.

For an officer who works in a state that has a conceled carry law is to get the state carry permit if their employer would not let them carry off duty and they would wish to do so.

[nf9648]

I bet it would really make their blood boil to stop a guy visiting from Texas with a loaded gun tucked in his waistband only to find he is a LEO protected by that law, while their own agency doesnt allow them that luxury in their own city.

[Piggy]

I guess it comes down to job security. If you work for an agency that prohibits off duty carry, but you meet the requirements under HR218....I'm sure you could avoid the arrest but not so sure about departmental disciplinary action.

[vadep]

DC's gun laws are worse than New York's but cops CAN carry there if they're authorized to carry off the job. Unfortunately many of the federal police agencies do not let their officers take their guns or credentials off the job location. I have a neighbor who is with FPS and he has to leave his gun and badge at his office when he leaves.

I'm happy to read this... we had a discussion at work, just after 218 passed, whether or not it would apply to DC.

So just to confirm, DC now allows off duty LE to carry? (assuming it's within agency policy obviously)

Not that it matters to me... I wouldnt go to DC without a gun if my life depended on it, but I always carried my agency issue SIG. Figured if I ran into a **** who seized it, an agency gun was more likely to get returned than my own piece.

[tunlrat]

Good for you & the VA Piggy! I'm thinking a lot of LE agencies that don't allow their officers off duty carry of agency weapons, state or Fed, will end up what you guys do & at least let you carry your personals to & from work. Nothing worse than being carjacked in full uniform on the way to work without a weapon to protect yourself with. Can you imagine calling your sergeant & telling him/her why you can't be at work that day! Stay safe...

[FPS207]

I work for FPS and we are authorized to carry our weapons home and off duty. This makes me wonder if it is different from "boss" to "boss" even within our agency.

[Piggy]

FPS207...How long have you been able to carry your weapon home & off duty? Only reason I ask is I think you might be correct, (boss to boss). I think I read it on yahoo, but someone from the FPS was hoping for a blanket policy as they couldn't carry off duty.

Can you believe it has been three years since 9/11 and Police Officers are still fighting to carry guns off duty?

[Bearcat06]

I work for FPS and we are authorized to carry our weapons home and off duty. This makes me wonder if it is different from "boss" to "boss" even within our agency.

I know a few FPS guys from KC area and they are allowed to carry on and off duty. One of them got into an off duty incident and had to use it last year.....

[vadep]

Yes to DC. The memos came out right after 218 was signed and they're still posted at the court buildings and in the precincts.

That said, I don't know any DC-area LEO who would have arrested another LEO for carrying a firearm. The city gets overrun with off-duty LEOs every year during Police Week and I'm not aware of any arrests. Since I was working downtown during Police Week this year I met many that I knew to be carrying. I gave them all FYI on the letter of the law and wished them a nice day.

Thanks.

Surprised I missed ya during police week.... one of these days we're gonna have a beer.

[FPS207]

FPS207...How long have you been able to carry your weapon home & off duty? Only reason I ask is I think you might be correct, (boss to boss). I think I read it on yahoo, but someone from the FPS was hoping for a blanket policy as they couldn't carry off duty.

Can you believe it has been three years since 9/11 and Police Officers are still fighting to carry guns off duty?

I have only been with FPS since May of this year. I am gathering that depending on the Region, some supervisors are apprehensive to jump the gun on the correction of the ICE policy in reference to FPS's authority and carry privileges, while others know the end result of it being corrected is coming, so some let their officers carry 24/7.

[intheaircop]

I can not believe some of you guys can not carry your issued weapon off duty. This is my first Fed job and I get to carry my issued weapon when ever and were ever I want. I thought all FED LEOS could carry. I see all kinds of LEOs flying with weapons but I have not run into a FPS or VA cop yet. Oh well and keep up the good fight.
Oh by the way. I am only permited to carry my issued weapon while off duty. No other guns allowed. :mad: