Plain Text vs. "10" codes

[lighthouse]

good thing you translated, because you didn't make any since to Northern New Mexico. We still use 10-codes, I like them but it would make since if the whole nation was on the same page with them.

[grussem]

[Control372]

Our dept still uses 10 codes as well, although we only have 21. I don't mind them because we have so few, but we do use them daily. I think they do help keep people quiet, because you always have the nosy people with the scanners call in and ask questions if you aren't vague.

[Control372]

But then again, I also like the plain language when working with other depts. Especially for us, we are "control" for the entire county for a serious emergecy...and it sucks when another dept calls in and says they have a "10-17" then I have to waste time and ask what it is and what exactly they need. So I go either way :P

[WilliamTomFrank]

Out of all the ten codes in the world we only use maybe 25 or 30 of them. but the codes we do use, we use them on an daily basis. So we use plain speak and ten codes about the same.

Even if nobody else used them its not that hard to quit using them and then pick them back up in the very next sentence.

My officers switch to county s.o.'s and city PD's all the time and have no problem dropping ten codes and then picking them back up again.

As far as keeping things confidential.....not going to happen. By the time someone listens to a scanner for a week they will have most of the codes guessed and figured out.

[Brendon]

NYPD uses Ten Codes, except there's over 1000 variations of one Code, for example:

10-64 Quality of Life Incident [A-Animal, B-Blocking Driveway, C-Construction D-Drinking, E-Bikes/Skates, F-Fireworks G-Garbage, H-Homeless, I-Hazardous Location K-Lewd Acts, M-Posting Advertisements, N-Panhandling,
P-Peddling, Q-Foul Odor, R-Trespass, S-Squeegee, T-Traffic, U-Urinating, V-Vandalism, Z-Other]

10-54 Ambulance Case [B-Burn, C-Cardiac, D4-Person in Water, E-EDP, H-Heavy Bleeder, I-Injured, L-Severed Limb, R-Rescue, S-Serious, U-Unconscious, Q-Other, Any Can Use:(1=Inside, 2=Outside, 6=Family, 7=Child Abuse, 9=Transit)]



10-90 F1 Domestic Incident Report (no offense of domestic violence is alleged)
F2 Domestic Incident Report (unfounded report of domestic violence)
J1 Domestic Incident Report (no offense of child abuse is alleged)
J2 Domestic Incident Report (offense of reported child abuse is unfounded)
N Unfounded or Unnecessary Alarm
N3 Unfounded or Unnecessary Alarm/Deferred Service
U Unable to gain entrance
V2 Unsuccesful Home Visit
X Unfounded
Y Unnecessary
Z Gone on arrival

10-99 Other final disposition (must include remarks)

T4 Vehicle Accident - no tow truck required
T5 Vehicle Accident - DARP tow required
T6 Vehicle Accident - other tow service
T7 Vehicle Accident - DARP and other tow service
T8 Vehicle Accident - authorized tow service
T9 Vehicle Accident - DARP requested


It makes it very hard to remember everything when you could just say the same thing in the same amount of time. For example, instead of saying 10-54 Charlie (For a Cardiac Victim) they should just say Ambulance Case, Cardiac RMP needed in the same amount of time with less confusion.

Plain Ten Codes are fine, but the NYPD has some real super-duper Ten Codes. Like the 10-90 Frank Two. It would literally just be quicker and easier to say No Domestic report found.

Some people said here that Ten Codes keeps things more secret? Not really, I know all the Ten Codes for the NYPD (And if I forget one, I have a list on my computer) and for the County I live in. I'd assume most News Agencies have people working who know them too.

[leomike07]

[quote=mcsap;788211]21 to dispatch. I have a 10-95 for 10-55 who was in the 10-57 and had a 10-32. Run a 29 and also I need a zone 1 10-51 for the car which is 10-45.

21 to dispatch , I have a prisoner in custody for DUI who was in the hit and run and also had a firearm. Run this guy for warrants all ways and I need a zone 1 tow truck for the car which was in a crash. QUOTE]




We use straight 10 codes and I love it. We don't talk that much in between.

Ours would be...

"208 CCOM, (CCOM to 208, go ahead) 10-72, 10-55 and 10-38. Subject 10-54'd. 29 check and 10-51."

(208 Central, Central to 208...go ahead. Subject in custody for DUI and weapon violation. Subject was involved in a hit and run. I need a warrants check and I need a towing truck.

To me, 10 codes are a whole lot easier. Less air time and even though crooks may know ten codes...ten codes will confuse them more than saying "Subject wanted for rape":eek:

We have about 120 different ten codes and signals. Takes a little time to learn but all in all, I feel like I'll take ten codes any day of the week. Plus all agencies in the county use the same ten codes. (That's 5 total agencies) That's a big help.

[Brendon]

[quote=leomike07;1014972]

Originally Posted by mcsap

21 to dispatch. I have a 10-95 for 10-55 who was in the 10-57 and had a 10-32. Run a 29 and also I need a zone 1 10-51 for the car which is 10-45.

21 to dispatch , I have a prisoner in custody for DUI who was in the hit and run and also had a firearm. Run this guy for warrants all ways and I need a zone 1 tow truck for the car which was in a crash. QUOTE]




We use straight 10 codes and I love it. We don't talk that much in between.

Ours would be...

"208 CCOM, (CCOM to 208, go ahead) 10-72, 10-55 and 10-38. Subject 10-54'd. 29 check and 10-51."

(208 Central, Central to 208...go ahead. Subject in custody for DUI and weapon violation. Subject was involved in a hit and run. I need a warrants check and I need a towing truck.

To me, 10 codes are a whole lot easier. Less air time and even though crooks may know ten codes...ten codes will confuse them more than saying "Subject wanted for rape":eek:

We have about 120 different ten codes and signals. Takes a little time to learn but all in all, I feel like I'll take ten codes any day of the week. Plus all agencies in the county use the same ten codes. (That's 5 total agencies) That's a big help.

You could just say it 208 HQ, Perp in custody for DUI and weapon violation. Perp part of a hit and run, warrant check and tow truck requested.

If you cut out a lot of the "I need a" and get straight to the point, it ends up not being so bad while keeping plain text and radio traffic down, in my opinion.

With Multi Agency operations becoming apart of everyday stuff, it's going to have to change. Either they adopt one big Ten Code system for the country, or everyone goes plain speak.

[kels]

The local ems and fire are doing plain talk.
Since I got tired of listening to them say "copy dat"
I locked them out on the scanner unless I need to talk
to them.

Now they got their little "plain talk language"
to learn. Aint that fricken special:mad:

[pdx911]

We still use 10 codes aswell, and I haven't seen anything that would suggest changing. One thing I do like about our agency that I haven't seen a whole lot of in this thread is the removal of the "10" even tho it is technically still a 10-code, (ie 10-23) our officers will just say "23".

for example:
525 show me 23, 55 subject is 61.

525 show me on scene, murder subject is in custody.

also:

dispatcher: 525 51 52.

525 are you able to copy on a felony warrant. (basically can he/she hear you)

[locokarma]

10 codes here as well. Most times, I'd prefer plain talk.

[Sharpe]

Right or wrong, I've been advised Illinois' recent mandates demand we do not use 10-codes on scene, but when dispatching or going to the scene, we can still use them.

In other words, dispatch can advise, "We have a 10-10 in progress in the road on Third and Cherry streets. The 10-17 advises one has a 10-32."

Then you can advise, "10-4, I'll be running 10-40... 10-23."

When you get there and make contact, etc., you should not advise, "Dispatch, I need a 10-29 by serial number on that 10-32," you should advise, "Dispatch, I need a check on a gun by serial number."

But, everyone I know still uses 10-codes all the time.

[Brendon]

Originally Posted by Sharpe

Right or wrong, I've been advised Illinois' recent mandates demand we do not use 10-codes on scene, but when dispatching or going to the scene, we can still use them.

In other words, dispatch can advise, "We have a 10-10 in progress in the road on Third and Cherry streets. The 10-17 advises one has a 10-32."

Then you can advise, "10-4, I'll be running 10-40... 10-23."

When you get there and make contact, etc., you should not advise, "Dispatch, I need a 10-29 by serial number on that 10-32," you should advise, "Dispatch, I need a check on a gun by serial number."

But, everyone I know still uses 10-codes all the time.

Are you serious? That makes no sense. If you got a perp nearby he'd be able to understand everything.

Originally Posted by pdx911

We still use 10 codes aswell, and I haven't seen anything that would suggest changing. One thing I do like about our agency that I haven't seen a whole lot of in this thread is the removal of the "10" even tho it is technically still a 10-code, (ie 10-23) our officers will just say "23".

for example:
525 show me 23, 55 subject is 61.

525 show me on scene, murder subject is in custody.

NYPD doesn't use the prefix of 10 on their codes , even though it's listed that way. I usually only notice them do it for emergencies, such as a 10-85 or a 10-13 (even then, they sometimes say signal 13). If it's not an emergency they'd just call it an 85 non emergency, or if it was a fire alarm call, dispatch would advise of a 59 of a residence, instead of a 10-59.

There is an exception, anything lower then 20 gets the 10 added onto it. If a check comes back clean it's a 10-19, or if there's a burglary alarm it's a 10-11, 10-10 is investigative call, 10-2 command, etc. Funny how they do that.