Plain Text vs. "10" codes

[m19ark]

My department only uses about 25 of the 10 codes. We mainly use PC's, VC's, MC's and 900's.

Example..

21 to dispatch. I'm 10-15 with a 23152VC, who's 20002VC and is also 21031PC. Run 10-29 and also need a 926 for the 902.

Originally Posted by mcsap

21 to dispatch. I have a 10-95 for 10-55 who was in the 10-57 and had a 10-32. Run a 29 and also I need a zone 1 10-51 for the car which is 10-45.

21 to dispatch , I have a prisoner in custody for DUI who was in the hit and run and also had a firearm. Run this guy for warrants all ways and I need a zone 1 tow truck for the car which was in a crash.

[cntryboy0531]

Originally Posted by mcsap

21 to dispatch. I have a 10-95 for 10-55 who was in the 10-57 and had a 10-32. Run a 29 and also I need a zone 1 10-51 for the car which is 10-45.

21 to dispatch , I have a prisoner in custody for DUI who was in the hit and run and also had a firearm. Run this guy for warrants all ways and I need a zone 1 tow truck for the car which was in a crash.

for us that would be..

####(ID Number), 10-15 one time for Signal 1 And Signal 3M, 10-15 had Signal 0.

For warrants and tow truck, gotta change channel to the Crime Information Channel (teletype) and run them on that.

"#### to C.I.C. 10-65 a 10-29 by name (or 10-27 if I have a DL number). Also 10-65 10-43 for 10-70."

Once you get the hang of it, it's very quick.

[LA5150]

Originally Posted by mcsap

21 to dispatch. I have a 10-95 for 10-55 who was in the 10-57 and had a 10-32. Run a 29 and also I need a zone 1 10-51 for the car which is 10-45.

21 to dispatch , I have a prisoner in custody for DUI who was in the hit and run and also had a firearm. Run this guy for warrants all ways and I need a zone 1 tow truck for the car which was in a crash.

And for us, it would sound like:

"1A12 to control, Code-4, suspect in custody. Can I get a Code-10 on one, and I need OPG to my location."

Hmmmm. I thought we used plain speech, but clearly we don't! :eek: :p

[Mike Romeo]

We switched over to plain speech at the beginning of May and believe me, it's a big learning curve all over for everyone. It's amazing how use you get to talking in 10 codes. I always thought 10 code use promoted brevity on the radio more than plain speech, but hey, I'm just a worker bee.

Also, I've spent over two years getting military phonetics out of my head and Police phonetics in. Now that we've adopted plain speech, I'm back to mililitary phonetics. I can't believe how difficult it's been to switch back.

[tx1119]

Originally Posted by HotTamale

The department I am at uses a mix of both as well they will say they are en route and will say the ten code when they arrive on scene. Also, are we talking about dispatch as well because I know here dispatch uses 10 codes no matter what, expecailly on a wanted 10-99 person. I wouldn't want the criminal to know that he was wanted at the same time I found out.

I completly agree! The guys safety is my top priority and I will always use a ten code. Joe Blow bad guy with a warrant and a concealed weapon is less likely to understand 10-99 but he is sure as sh*t going to understand the plain english version!

Our department uses all 10 codes and always will. I just wish the Troopers would use the same set of 10 codes we did. I'm sure I'll have to keep dreaming on that one though!

[WhiteLite]

Originally Posted by mcsap

21 to dispatch. I have a 10-95 for 10-55 who was in the 10-57 and had a 10-32. Run a 29 and also I need a zone 1 10-51 for the car which is 10-45.

21 to dispatch , I have a prisoner in custody for DUI who was in the hit and run and also had a firearm. Run this guy for warrants all ways and I need a zone 1 tow truck for the car which was in a crash.

For us that would be:
"car 21." (answer from us, then,) "10-15 the 10-39 subject that was in the 10-45 earlier for 10-49. Check 29's local NCIC. Also, next schedule for the vehicle."

Kind of a mix. But jeez, I can certainly see now how confusing it would get if some of you fellas got on our frequency with your 10 codes. :eek:

[cntryboy0531]

Originally Posted by Mike Romeo

We switched over to plain speech at the beginning of May and believe me, it's a big learning curve all over for everyone. It's amazing how use you get to talking in 10 codes. I always thought 10 code use promoted brevity on the radio more than plain speech, but hey, I'm just a worker bee.

Also, I've spent over two years getting military phonetics out of my head and Police phonetics in. Now that we've adopted plain speech, I'm back to mililitary phonetics. I can't believe how difficult it's been to switch back.

Hmm, We've always went by military phonetics at my agency.. Alpha, Bravo, etc..

[michiganstud]

Originally Posted by cntryboy0531

Hmm, We've always went by military phonetics at my agency.. Alpha, Bravo, etc..

That's because you are from the south. :D


I think codes have their place on the radio. But you are kidding yourself if you think that people don't know what the code means. All the media here run to our scenes when they hear a code 1. And they all know whe are on lunch when we say "out at my numbers on a 94".

I think they keep things neat and orderly on the radio, nothing more. There are some out there that dont know the codes and you do get a benefit from it. When a subject comes back with warrants you may have a few seconds to get control of them - rather then them hearing your subject is wanted for.... But there are bad guys that do know the codes and i've seen one come back with a 10-10 and imediately go into a foot pursuit.

Then there is dispatch. They dispatch the code AND use plain talk at the same time. "subject is smoking code 12 and has threatened to shoot the victom with his 10".

We do get creative though. For certain meeting points we have codes for that or certain things we are doing. "meet me at the foot" is a code for the foot of a road in our city.

Most importantly though if you are using codes all the officers MUST know them.

[Group9]

Originally Posted by michiganstud

That's because you are from the south. :D

I think codes have their place on the radio. But you are kidding yourself if you think that people don't know what the code means. .

I'll give you a perfect example of how lack of common ten codes ended a woman's life, and how the criminals know the ten codes better than LEO's from different agencies.

During a wiretap in a large city I used to work in, on a pretty famous and well known case involving several corrupt officers in the police department, a crooked cop and a dirtbag were discussing how to handle a woman who had filed a complaint on the cooked officer. At some point the dirtbag asked the officer if he wanted him to "Do a thirty on her?" which obviously referred to the police code of 10-30 for a homicide, and the crooked cop said yes, and then gave the woman's address to the dirtbag.

The agent monitoring the wiretap onthe crooked cop's phone, didn't know what a 10-30, or what "Doing a thirty" on someone meant, so he just wrote it down in the log. An hour and a half later, another agent who had been in the city longer, came in and looked at it, and basically said, "Holy, sheep! He just told this dirtbag to go kill this woman."

They hurried to her house and found her being carried out on a stretcher by the coroner. In the end, it resulted in an innocent woman being killed, bringing down a major case, way before it should have been, and letting several dirty cops who would have been caught, off the hook.

So, yes, the criminals are often somewhat familiar with the ten codes in their city, and I sure would't count on one not knowing what they meant.

[Group9]

And, I love when I get a call from one of the local guys on my radio or phone, who asks something like, "Are you 10-12?"

I always reply. "No, I'm [my first name]. :D

[Valor55]

We have a 10 code for subjects suffering from mental illness.

Today was our first day of a 48 hour "try out" of plain talk. An officer needed to have the call type he was on changed so he told dispatch, "Change this call to a crazy guy." LMFAO!!!!

A supervisor sent out a computer message, "That will be 'mental subject' from now on." I laughed 5 minutes straight.

[Hockey9019]

This doesn't really have anything to do with ten codes, but I have noticed someone or several people calling wrong ;)


Its Hey you, its me
Not
Its me, hey you ;)





Kinda sorta becoming a pet peeve of mine for some reason

[PVPD124]

Originally Posted by Hockey9019

This doesn't really have anything to do with ten codes, but I have noticed someone or several people calling wrong ;)


Its Hey you, its me
Not
Its me, hey you ;)





Kinda sorta becoming a pet peeve of mine for some reason

Well, we do it the way that pisses you off then, Me calling an officer would be "Headquarters, 116" them calling me is "116, headquarters"

[dan1210bso]

well as soon as i go 10-8 after rollcall at 10-19, im 10-51 to the pumps. when im 10-97 at the pumps i 10-23 to 10-65 calls pending.

[Stan Switek]

We used Ten codes. My self, I preferred just to use plain English as often times our dispatchers seemed easily confused. It also made communication clearer in emergency situations. Then again we had MDT's so if practical I used it for status changes. I saw too may people have things they said on the radio used against them in IA. I was fond of what I called the "Sea Wolf" method of communication. Run silent. Run deep. Maintain radio silence.