Question about corrections and firearms

[Lawson]

I never said i would engage the shooter or try... I said IF i was to. not that im going to. Not that i have been trained in robbery's but if at gun point i have enough confidience in my martial arts background and size over power and to remove the gun from harming me or others

Wait wait wait... I have to eat my hat for a second. Drkknght and I debated whether you meant take them down as in at gunpoint or physically. I thought you meant at gunpoint. Bringing anything to a gunfight that isnt a gun is a bad idea. Bringing no guns is a worse idea. How the hell are you going to draw your CO badge, yell police, and beat him up before he shoots you??? And more importantly what the hell is the Army teaching people!?!?

And IMO, if you say "If I were to engage the shooter" you are speaking hypothetically. Thats the same as saying I would engage the shooter in this question of yours, as I'm sure you mean hypothetically since Im pretty sure you're not actively in a store being robbed.

[Slimyslipknot]

What if he shoots you before you get to him?

I said at Gun point.

[Slimyslipknot]

Wait wait wait... I have to eat my hat for a second. Drkknght and I debated whether you meant take them down as in at gunpoint or physically. I thought you meant at gunpoint. Bringing anything to a gunfight that isnt a gun is a bad idea. Bringing no guns is a worse idea. How the hell are you going to draw your CO badge, yell police, and beat him up before he shoots you??? And more importantly what the hell is the Army teaching people!?!?

And IMO, if you say "If I were to engage the shooter" you are speaking hypothetically. Thats the same as saying I would engage the shooter in this question of yours, as I'm sure you mean hypothetically since Im pretty sure you're not actively in a store being robbed.

Up close at gunpoint with a gun in my face. i would be confident enough to remove it. Look up Krav maga. and Brazilian Jiujitsu.

and "If I were to engage the shooter" is not the same as saying "I would engage the shooter" cause nowhere did i say i WOULD.. i said IF meaning maybe if there is a open oppurtunity. not saying im for sure gonna engage a guy with a gun...

[Slimyslipknot]

[QUOTE=Lawson;986554]Wait wait wait... I have to eat my hat for a second. Drkknght and I debated whether you meant take them down as in at gunpoint or physically. I thought you meant at gunpoint. Bringing anything to a gunfight that isnt a gun is a bad idea. Bringing no guns is a worse idea. How the hell are you going to draw your CO badge, yell police, and beat him up before he shoots you??? And more importantly what the hell is the Army teaching people!?!?
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and also
in my origianl post i didnt mean to physically take him down.. i meant like.. tell him to drop his weapon and get on the floor and if you have handcuffs for some reason to handcuff him until the real LEO's get there.

You guys are going way off topic and getting to in depth all im asking is, is it legal to do so? not would i attack him blah blah blah thats not what im aksing so please stay on topic.

[Samuel]

[Lawson]

We are engaging a conversation based on your topic. Your question doesn't make a lot of sense when you break it down.

You asked about stopping a robbery and we are explaining the details about what you are asking to do.

As far as legalities, 1. you dont need a badge to take on someone using martial arts. Even if you're a full-time LEO.

2. If you feel your or someone elses life is in danger, you can draw your firearm. Why fumble for your firearm and your badge when you can just go two hands on your weapon?

[drkknght]

Not that i have been trained in robbery's but if at gun point i have enough confidience in my martial arts background and size over power and to remove the gun from harming me or others

Again what if he shoots you before get to him? It only takes a split second to pull a trigger.

Up close at gunpoint with a gun in my face. i would be confident enough to remove it. Look up Krav maga. and Brazilian Jiujitsu.

and "If I were to engage the shooter" is not the same as saying "I would engage the shooter" cause nowhere did i say i WOULD.. i said IF meaning maybe if there is a open oppurtunity. not saying im for sure gonna engage a guy with a gun...

If you are gonna pull the gun you better be ready to engage the guy. Where are you finding the time to pull the gun, your badge, yell police and then swat the gun away.

If you are in touching distance then fight for the gun all you want but leave your firearm holstered. If your out of reach pull your gun and give commands but do not go for the bad guy at the same time.


[quote=Slimyslipknot;986558][QUOTE=Lawson;986554]Wait wait wait... I have to eat my hat for a second. Drkknght and I debated whether you meant take them down as in at gunpoint or physically. I thought you meant at gunpoint. Bringing anything to a gunfight that isnt a gun is a bad idea. Bringing no guns is a worse idea. How the hell are you going to draw your CO badge, yell police, and beat him up before he shoots you??? And more importantly what the hell is the Army teaching people!?!?

and also
in my origianl post i didnt mean to physically take him down.. i meant like.. tell him to drop his weapon and get on the floor and if you have handcuffs for some reason to handcuff him until the real LEO's get there.

You guys are going way off topic and getting to in depth all im asking is, is it legal to do so? not would i attack him blah blah blah thats not what im aksing so please stay on topic.

Yes you can put him at gun point and give commands we have already answered this question. I think I did in my first post.

[Slimyslipknot]

Why fumble for your firearm and your badge when you can just go two hands on your weapon?

Agian your looking to far into the question. can i draw my firearm and badge.. doesnt mena ima do it at the same time... just is it legal to use my badge even as a CO? you guys are looking far beyond the question. i asked if i can take him down. what does it matter which way.. physically or verbally. just answer the quetion no need to get all detailed.. its common sense... do what makes sense at the time.. im just asking would it be LEGAL to draw my gun and point it at another person who is threatening to shoot. since thats a yes cause its self defense.. thats out of the way.. now onto the other part..

is it legal to pull out my badge. like say the clerk thinks im another guy witha gun.. is it legal to pull out my badge and show him/her that i am with law enforcment.. or would that be like Impersionation of a LEO? and could i get in trouble? thats how simple the question is.

[Slimyslipknot]

"""If you are gonna pull the gun you better be ready to engage the guy. Where are you finding the time to pull the gun, your badge, yell police and then swat the gun away.

If you are in touching distance then fight for the gun all you want but leave your firearm holstered. If your out of reach pull your gun and give commands but do not go for the bad guy at the same time."""

Well duh.. agian its called common sense.. of course im not gonna stand right infront of him pull out my gund and badge and yell police. if im at touching reach im gonna not pull out my gun ill struggle for his gun then if somehow we become at a distance i will draw my gun.. i know how it works... your going to far into the question.

[Lawson]

The best answer to this question is get hired and ask your agency. It will entirely be up to them.

[drkknght]

Slimy we have answered your question every way possible. We have also talked about the "ifs". You have changed it up in every post.

First you asked if you could put someone at gun point and give commands. We answered that. Then you got into your extensive martial art skills. We answered that question to. Not that martial arts have anything to do with pulling a gun. Last I looked you don't need to be a triple black belt to utilize a firearm. I don't know how much more answers you are looking for here and were running out of answers for you. If you don't like your answers than stop posting these threads and contact your local sheriff department, police department or maybe a corrections officer. Maybe they can cut through this BS.

On to the badge thing. I imagine it depends on who you work for and what there policies are.

Sure you can yell "police" or what ever the hell you want and if the situation goes good than you may be OK but if the situation goes bad i.e. the robber starts shooting people, takes a hostage, or runs carjacks and kills someone you could be held responsible for this because you identified your self as a police officer. Personally not a liability I want on my shoulders.

[drkknght]

LOL by the way:D Rep owed

[Switchback]

Im a Combat Engineer. Part infantry part engineer. we are trained to detain and Neutralize. Much like S.W.A.T.

Alright, man. You need to take it down a few notches, maybe after a few shots of reality.

Combat engineers are NOTHING like SWAT. I was a 12B, among other things, before going ROTC. Most military in general, have very little CQB training... this includes most of their SWAT/SRT teams. And, sadly, much of the training the the SWAT/SRT teams do have tends to be a bit antiquated.

You see, I am a bit of the SWAT type. In fact, I have taught several schools, to include classes to a couple Army SRTs. Just in case you want to say my info is antiquated, I have done training with guys both in Iraq and Afghanistan... when I was out there for my real SWAT stuff.

Now, before you continue to post, only further embarrassing yourself, you may want to try the ol' search tool out here on RP. This has been covered EXTENSIVELY. In case you are having difficulty with it, or just don't feel like making the effort, let me give you a Cliff Notes version:
-Carry authority for COs varies from state to state. In fact, it can vary for different departments within a state.
-Generally, your training as a CO tends to be pretty minimal and, by most any standards, would not prove very effective in such situations outside of just protecting yourself (assuming you are permitted to carry the weapon). Unless there you are looking at death/serious bodily harm, be a good witness... and this is the same advice given to personnel trained far better than you (or COs, for that matter).
-Keep your badge put away unless you actually MUST intervene.

[Switchback]

"""If you are gonna pull the gun you better be ready to engage the guy. Where are you finding the time to pull the gun, your badge, yell police and then swat the gun away.

If you are in touching distance then fight for the gun all you want but leave your firearm holstered. If your out of reach pull your gun and give commands but do not go for the bad guy at the same time."""

Well duh.. agian its called common sense.. of course im not gonna stand right infront of him pull out my gund and badge and yell police. if im at touching reach im gonna not pull out my gun ill struggle for his gun then if somehow we become at a distance i will draw my gun.. i know how it works... your going to far into the question.

Again, consider stopping any further posting. You are only continuing to make a fool of yourself. You really have NO clue.

[Norm357]

"""If you are gonna pull the gun you better be ready to engage the guy. Where are you finding the time to pull the gun, your badge, yell police and then swat the gun away.

If you are in touching distance then fight for the gun all you want but leave your firearm holstered. If your out of reach pull your gun and give commands but do not go for the bad guy at the same time."""

Well duh.. agian its called common sense.. of course im not gonna stand right infront of him pull out my gund and badge and yell police. if im at touching reach im gonna not pull out my gun ill struggle for his gun then if somehow we become at a distance i will draw my gun.. i know how it works... your going to far into the question.

I've done it for real, you have no clue.

<----Not a Cop or a CO.