Corrections officers can't get verified?

[vengeance05]

forums dot realcorrections dot com ?

[MP_Steve]

forums dot realcorrections dot com ?

+1 :D

[Movementarian]

That's kind of harsh.

[graysoc]

Good lord.

I just read through two extremely long, convoluted threads. One about FFDO's not being LEO's, and another about corrections officers not being LEO's.

I'm an FFDO, and you all have made it clear that I'm not (in your eyes) a LEO. Fine. I really don't care. What does bother me though is that most of you on here think that being a LEO places you in some sort of exhalted position in life. As LEOs you are in a unique position of power, and there is no room for egos and bravado. There appears to be too much of that on this site, and that disappoints me.

Anyway...carry on with your discussion about who is and isn't in your "club." Just be aware that these sort of discussions really show you in a bad light, and it isn't very flattering to the law enforcement community.

[mcsap]

Good lord.

I just read through two extremely long, convoluted threads. One about FFDO's not being LEO's, and another about corrections officers not being LEO's.

I'm an FFDO, and you all have made it clear that I'm not (in your eyes) a LEO. Fine. I really don't care. What does bother me though is that most of you on here think that being a LEO places you in some sort of exhalted position in life. As LEOs you are in a unique position of power, and there is no room for egos and bravado. There appears to be too much of that on this site, and that disappoints me.

Anyway...carry on with your discussion about who is and isn't in your "club." Just be aware that these sort of discussions really show you in a bad light, and it isn't very flattering to the law enforcement community.

Welcome to REAL POLICE graysoc. There are a lot of websites around these days, sports , firemen , motorcycle riders etc. This one happens to be mainly for the POLICE out there.

We are in fact in a different arena as we are tasked with LE from local to state to Federal and we even have Cops here from outside of the US. This is our website where we can interact with each other but we certainly do welcome non LEO's here. We even have a couple of mods here that are NOT cops. Our " exalted" position in our professional career is that we have the authority to detain someone and deprive them of their freedom. We also have the authority to use force if not deadly force. All of this is accomplished through lengthy training at our academies ( ours is 5 months ) FTO and than regular follow up training. This power we have certainly is something that makes us unique among our citizens but it had to be granted to protect us from tose that choose to do wrong.

When we became fully informed as to the TRUE and ACTUAL facts behind a FFDO , we all knew that it was a glorified title to give you the authority on a few square feet of an airplane to use deadly force if you nee dto.

You do NOT do ANY kind of normal LE duties from conduct investigations , making arrests ( not apprehensions) , getting search warrants etc.

Your position is that of a PILOT. You are not working for the Feds, you are not paid by the Feds and your ID card says FFDO but to the REAL Cops here , you aren't one of us.

Now we do not disrespect you because of the fact that you are armed and eveyone here that I am aware of SUPPORTS that you be armed. Just don't let that piece of plastic and a little bit of training go to your head that you can pass yourself off as a Law Enforcement Officer to a bunch of cops.

Your exalted position is that you can fly a large plane , in all kinds of weather , under various circumstances and can probably tell us a few tales about your experiences. If I went to a pilts forum , I am sure that I would not fit in as one of the boys. And thats OK. Just dont expect that you can come here and do the same.

But you are still welcome to stick around and take a look.


Enjoy your visit at RP. You may even learn something here.

[graysoc]

Oh, and just to clarify...

I get why you think FFDOs aren't LEOs. But being a pilot, I get why the other FFDOs argue with you.

As a pilot, we live our lives, day to day, by rules (much like you do in law enforcement). Those rules are generally interpreted very narrowly. In other words, what the page says, we have to abide by.

So, when a pilot reads, "deputized as federal law enforcement officers" that means to him that he is a LEO. It isn't that he thinks he has the same rights or is on the same footing as a full LEO, but by god, it says on the cred that he's a LEO. We are basically talking about semantics here.

I think that yes, I am a law enforcement officer. Am I the same thing as a FAM, FBI, policeman, or state trooper? Hell no. Not even close. Not even in the same galaxy. But I am a LEO. The law says so, and that is not up for interpretation.

I think that is where the disconnect is between FFDOs and others on this forum. You verified LEOs on here want the term LEO to mean more than it does. It just means that the government has called you a LEO. That is all. What individual rights you carry depend upon your agency, etc.

My rights as a LEO mostly are confined to the flight deck. I may transport a weapon in any state without a carry permit, and I may transport a weapon (even on vacation, even on another carrier) to practice. Those are all specifics about my deputation, but it is a deputation nonetheless. Your individual opinions on the matter are 100% irrelevant.

I like to think of FFDO as the private pilot license of law enforcement. As a private pilot, you can't fly for hire, you can't fly in bad weather, and you have a fraction of the training of a commercial pilot. But, private pilots are still pilots. It is much the same for FFDOs vs. a FAM, for instance.

As an FFDO, I want to have a good relationship with other LEOs, and I want to work together in preventing another terrorist attack in the skies. I'm certain we will continue to do so.

I guess that's all I have to say...

G

[graysoc]

Welcome to REAL POLICE graysoc. There are a lot of websites around these days, sports , firemen , motorcycle riders etc. This one happens to be mainly for the POLICE out there.

We are in fact in a different arena as we are tasked with LE from local to state to Federal and we even have Cops here from outside of the US. This is our website where we can interact with each other but we certainly do welcome non LEO's here. We even have a couple of mods here that are NOT cops.

When we became fully informed as to the TRUE and ACTUAL facts behind a FFDO , we all knew that it was a glorified title to give you the authority on a few square feet of an airplane to use deadly force if you nee dto.

You do NOT do ANY kind of normal LE duties from conduct investigations , making arrests ( not apprehensions) , getting search warrants etc.

Your position is that of a PILOT. You are not working for the Feds, you are not paid by the Feds and your ID card says FFDO but to the REAL Cops here , you aren't one of us.

Now we do not disrespect you because of the fact that you are armed and eveyone here that I am aware of SUPPORTS that you be armed. Just don't let that piece of plastic and a little bit of training go to your head that you can pass yourself off as a Law Enforcement Officer to a bunch of cops.

Enjoy your visit at RP. You may eben learn something here.

Read my previous post, as it clarifies my position on your above point. In no way is it going to my head that I'm a LEO. It is just what the law states. Plain and simple.

I do not in any way compare myself to any other fully fledged LEO.

And, that being said, I can already tell that I DON'T want to be one of you. And this likely will be my last post.

I just felt that the other couple of FFDO's on here hadn't adequately stated why they felt the way they did. It really does boil down to the basic mentality of a pilot. When the rule says that you can only go down to 100 feet about the ground, it doesn't mean 101 or 99. It means 100. When the law states that you are a federal law enforcement officer, that is exactly what it means.

The specifics of that deputization are in the SOP, and they certainly aren't the same as what you have as a FAM or the like, but it is what it is.

What I don't get is why that is so hard for you guys to understand.

[mcsap]

The Animal Control Officer in my area is legally considered a Law Enforcement Officer. The state has given them that title but they are not the POLICE.

Your area of "specialty" is so minute and remote and the required training is quite minimal compared to an actual police officer...I think you get the picture.

If you don't ,try this. A group a Commercial Pilots who normally drive 727's, 737's 757's etc are all at a bar together having some drinks swapping some war stories. In walks a guy who recently got his Private Pilots license for a Piper Cub. I am sure you would consider him " one of your crowd" ?

[mcsap]

What is there to understand ?

WE here at this website do not accept your creds as that of a REAL POLICE officer. The Feds gave you a piece of plastic that says you are a FFDO.

I guess you win. You are a Federal Flight Deck Officer.

You just aren't a cop and wont be joining the FOP anytime soon.

Hope you understand our position.

[graysoc]

The Animal Control Officer in my area is legally considered a Law Enforcement Officer. The state has given them that title but they are not the POLICE.

Your area of "specialty" is so minute and remote and the required training is quite minimal compared to an actual police officer...I think you get the picture.

If you don't ,try this. A group a Commercial Pilots who normally drive 727's, 737's 757's etc are all at a bar together having some drinks swapping some war stories. In walks a guy who recently got his Private Pilots license for a Piper Cub. I am sure you would consider him " one of your crowd" ?

Believe me, I get the point. But I would welcome that guy along into the group. He does share some of the same experiences, after all, and he may even be interested in continuing on to our level.

Now, we would shun him if he came in all high and mighty, boasting about his flying abilities, etc. I believe that the problem here is that some FFDOs along the way have overstated their position to you guys, and it has given you a bad taste when it comes to us. In no way do I think I come anywhere close to a "real" LEO. My only point is that I am a LEO, in the strict legal sense. Maybe not in the practical sense, but most pilots live in the world of the strict legal sense.

That was my only point really. That pilots tend to be concrete sequential, and if it says something on the paper, then that is what it says, no ifs ands or buts. I'm just trying to help you understand our clan. We are a wierd bunch, to be sure.

G

[graysoc]

What is there to understand ?

WE here at this website do not accept your creds as that of a REAL POLICE officer. The Feds gave you a piece of plastic that says you are a FFDO.

I guess you win. You are a Federal Flight Deck Officer.

You just aren't a cop and wont be joining the FOP anytime soon.

Hope you understand our position.

I never said I was a "cop." You see, cop DOES convey some practical sense of what a LEO does. And nowhere on my cred does it say I'm a cop.

I don't want to be a verified person on this site. If I do hang around, I would expect to be treated with the same respect you give everyone else, but nothing more.

Thanks for listening, and responding.

G

[mcsap]

I never said I was a "cop." You see, cop DOES convey some practical sense of what a LEO does. And nowhere on my cred does it say I'm a cop.

I don't want to be a verified person on this site. If I do hang around, I would expect to be treated with the same respect you give everyone else, but nothing more.

Thanks for listening, and responding.

G

1. You won't be.

2. You already have been .

3. You're welcome

[Hockey9019]

So again, whats so big about the Verified LEO status tag?

Just wondering still :p

[Kimble]

So again, whats so big about the Verified LEO status tag?

Just wondering still :p

Asked and answered, and now closed.