Corrections officers can't get verified?

[txinvestigator1]

What "laws" do CO's enforce?

[Kimble]

maybe the problem is the "Verified LEO" tag itself... but I'd like to offer a suggestion that maybe it would be more appropriate to change the verification identification tag to something like "Verified Police Officer" instead of "Verified LEO."

So someone who hasn't contributed more than two (2) posts here is now offering suggestions on how this site should be run? :confused:

Okay, who are you and why should your criticism be taken with any validity. Not trying to be an ***, but how exactly have you established yourself here to now be offering up suggestions on how it should be ran?

[mcsap]

The term Verified LEO is kind of a broad term because the legal definition does vary from state to state. We have Deputy Sheriff's here that are cops but are Deputies. The list goes on.

To encompass everyone , the term Verified LEO was chosen as to be a tad more inclusive.

If a state like NJ chooses to consider Law Enforcment Officer's as an equal to a " police officer " , so be it.

We are content with what WE consider the definition to include and to exclude and I think we went out of our way to show that we don't disparage CO's , they for the MOST part are not cops and we would have a tough time wading through 50 states definitions plus several countries definitions of LEO's.

On top of that...those of us that do the verifications do them for free on our own time. We need to keep the standards pretty strict and basic.

We have in the past verified various " law enforcement officers " and got burned for it so we are pretty tight on those standards.

Thanks for your suggestion but we are not going to change on this one.

Mcsap-Moderator.

[CincyCop]

...and now, airline pilots. LOL

Can a "Verfied Airline Pilot" tag be initiated at RP?

That would be cool.

:D

[Kimble]

Can a "Verfied Airline Pilot" tag be initiated at RP?

That would be cool.

:D

No, cause then the FFDO's would still insist on one that says "Verified LEO." ;)

[CincyCop]

No, cause then the FFDO's would still insist on one that says "Verified LEO." ;)

I understand.

:D

[YouOughtaKnow]

What "laws" do CO's enforce?

The same laws that apply outside the walls of their facilities, as well as rules and regulations inside. Does that not count?

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics website:

"Correctional officers maintain order within the institution and enforce rules and regulations. To help ensure that inmates are orderly and obey rules, correctional officers monitor the activities and supervise the work assignments of inmates. Sometimes, officers must search inmates and their living quarters for contraband like weapons or drugs, settle disputes between inmates, and enforce discipline."

Don't certain correctional officers have the power to arrest? What if one inmate murders another? Wouldn't the involvement and activity of correctional officers at the crime scene be constituted as law enforcement?

[YouOughtaKnow]

So someone who hasn't contributed more than two (2) posts here is now offering suggestions on how this site should be run? :confused:

Okay, who are you and why should your criticism be taken with any validity. Not trying to be an ***, but how exactly have you established yourself here to now be offering up suggestions on how it should be ran?

Are you implying that suggestions are not allowed or welcomed here, and I would need to "prove myself" before my input would be given any consideration? :confused: Not trying to be an ***, but...

It wasn't a criticism, it was just a suggestion. I wasn't purposely trying to get anyone upset by my post.

[Kimble]

Are you implying that suggestions are not allowed or welcomed here, and I would need to "prove myself" before my input would be given any consideration? :confused: Not trying to be an ***, but...

You don't come into work on the first day and tell the boss how to run the business. Same logic applies (or may I should say "should apply") here.

Don't certain correctional officers have the power to arrest? What if one inmate murders another? Wouldn't the involvement and activity of correctional officers at the crime scene be constituted as law enforcement?

So by that logic, I guess I was a correctional officer, seeing as how when I arrested someone at my old PD I would book them and sometimes place them in temporary confinement before they could be transported to the county jail. Just because one arm of the CJ system shares duties with another doesn't mean it's an entirely different arm of the CJ system. LEOs deal with criminals at the get-go, then the courts get them, and finally the corrections systems get the criminal after sentencing. Do CO's enforce laws inside their walls, in addition to their main duties of supervising incarcertated inmates? Of course they do, but it's still a collateral duty to their corrections duties. Their job is no less important, no more important, than those of law enforcement or the courts. But the fact still remains, they are officers of the corrections system, not officers of the law.

[YouOughtaKnow]

You don't come into work on the first day and tell the boss how to run the business. Same logic applies (or may I should say "should apply") here.

Oh, I see... well, my apologies then, AGAIN, for my second social faux pas.

By the way, can I have a raise? :cool:

[Big Sexy]

Since everyone is throwing in their two cents on "Verified Something Tags", here are BIG's demands.

BIG wants: a Verified Sexy tag.

or

BIG wants: a Verified Special Agent tag.

or

BIG wants: a Verified Fed tag.

or

BIG wants: a Verified Stud tag.

or

BIG wants: a Verified Sex Machine tag. This one is so the ladies know what BIG SEXY is working with. ;)

[Big Sexy]

By the way, can I have a raise? :cool:

You can RAISE the hell up on out of here. How's that for a raise. :p:p

[CincyCop]

Since everyone is throwing in their two cents on "Verified Something Tags", here are BIG's demands.

BIG wants: a Verified Sexy tag.

or

BIG wants: a Verified Special Agent tag.

or

BIG wants: a Verified Fed tag.

or

BIG wants: a Verified Stud tag.

or

BIG wants: a Verified Sex Machine tag. This one is so the ladies know what BIG SEXY is working with. ;)

BIG wants (but forgot to mention): a Verified Jarhead tag.

:D

[njco]

Just some stuff i found real quick.



http://www.njcorrectionofficers.com/..._of_Rights.pdf

line 35 “State law enforcement officer” means any law enforcement
36 officer in the employ of the State of New Jersey holding a civil
37 service title of any rank in the classified career service, including all
38 State correction officers.
http://www.njcorrectionofficers.com/...tle_change.pdf

line 28 from above link 1. All [correction] correctional police officers of the State of
29 New Jersey, parole officers employed by the State Parole Board and
30 investigators in the Department of Corrections, who have been or
31 who may hereafter be appointed or employed, shall, by virtue of
32 such appointment or employment and in addition to any other
33 power or authority, be empowered to exercise full police powers
34 and to act as peace officers, at all times, for the detection,
35 apprehension, arrest and conviction of offenders against the law

Just to reiterate...the answer is still no. Mcsap-Mod.

[Aussie George]

When I worked in Queensland a few years back I had certain Common Law powers that gave me powers of arrest. I could carry a gun and a belt with baton, cuffs etc.

I would patrol in a marked vehicle at night, looking for offenders. If I located them I could effect an arrest and hand them over to my local PD. Then I would be required to go to court over the matter.

I could get in foot chases. I could (and did) call out the local PD K-9 unit.

I spent many cold boring nights, standing around a service station shooting the bull with others in my profession, while drinking coffee and eating donuts.

I wore a uniform of blue shirt and dark blue pants, matching jacket and black "tactical boots":p.

I used to secure burglary scenes for the local PD to come in and assess for forensic value etc.

Was I a cop?

No...I worked for Chubb Security.

I did a three day security officers course, got a licence, and then did a week long firearms course and obtained a security officers firearms licence.

I did many things that were very similar to being a cop, and I even worked closely with the local PD offering assistance whenever I could, but I did not consider myself a cop until I went through an Academy and was sworn as a Police Officer.

In one of my PD's we had our own cells, where we kept prisoners for days at a time. I had to go in and escort them to court, convey them to jail, feed them, monitor them, fight them, etc etc. At the time I was unarmed.

Was I a CO? No.

I have utmost respect for CO's. I don't think I could do your job. I would go stir crazy being in those walls with all those **** bags.

I used to have to go into our local jail all the time to interview crooks. I didn't like it at all. Walking in their (in cop uniform) with no weapon, I was always worried that they would see it as a good time to take hostages and beat the **** out of me. I couldn't get out of there quick enough.

I take my hat off to you for doing your job, but really it is apples and oranges. Both fruits, but different trees.