Corrections officers can't get verified?

[Cat_Doc]

I worked at the DOC, once in uniform back in the early 70's, and a tour as a certified criminal investigator in the late 90's. Ethical hard-working Correctional Officers have my utmost respect.

Too many times, those who know nothing of that job talk crap but it would be a guaranteed eye opener for them if they had to "walk the run" themselves. I have been more afraid I was going to cross the Great Divide early in the prison more times than I ever did on the streets.

I actually think it would be a great idea for all street cops to do a year working the prison before they even hit the streets. It would make them that much better of a cop.

But, the fact remains they are Corrections Officers...not Law Enforcement Officers. Two related, but distinctly different job classifications.

[rtmcqueen]

huh, who is that guy:eek:

[njco]

joeyd,
with that BS report that was to cya for the state. I am not going to say it didn't happen or say it did happen. You did 120 hrs working in a jail as a intern you have seen some of what goes on. And as you know some stuff happens for a reason.
The riot the inmate was separated from the other inmates who were down the wings of a trailer( 6 trailers tied to make one big one no cells to secure them in.) He yelled out and the bloods were coming off the wing. There were so many they would come out in shifts to fight the cops in the trailer.
Yes we have some bad cops in the doc.
As you stated you were in the NYPD and there are bad cops there and just as many problems. I am sure if i wanted to i could google any large pd and find widespread problems. but anyway im done. i know that nj co's are not looked on anything more the prison guards. But i have pride in my job and like the pay and benny's to go with it...

one last thing.. on my state ID looks something like this

__John doe________
is a law enforcement officer seriving in the capacity of

senior corrections officer

[Coastie 585]

Sorry man, it's not going to happen. If RP wants to make a "Verified CO" tag, that is on him. Then why not a "Verified Explorer" tag... or a "Verified LE Supporter" tag?

Don't forget "Verified Military LEO". :cool:

[mcsap]

joeyd,
with that BS report that was to cya for the state. I am not going to say it didn't happen or say it did happen. You did 120 hrs working in a jail as a intern you have seen some of what goes on. And as you know some stuff happens for a reason.
The riot the inmate was separated from the other inmates who were down the wings of a trailer( 6 trailers tied to make one big one no cells to secure them in.) He yelled out and the bloods were coming off the wing. There were so many they would come out in shifts to fight the cops in the trailer.
Yes we have some bad cops in the doc.
As you stated you were in the NYPD and there are bad cops there and just as many problems. I am sure if i wanted to i could google any large pd and find widespread problems. but anyway im done. i know that nj co's are not looked on anything more the prison guards. But i have pride in my job and like the pay and benny's to go with it...

one last thing.. on my state ID looks something like this

__John doe________
is a law enforcement officer seriving in the capacity of

senior corrections officer

NOBODY disputes that NJ considers you a LEO. NOBODY disputes that you have at least a dangerous an occupation as we do.

BUT we do draw the line in " your " day to day duties as well as those in the rest of the states / world and the VAST majority of CO's are not LEO's. PA Co's are certainly not cops for instance.

[Switchback]

As I already said... THIS IS NOT NEGOTIABLE.

[Lawson]

I think this has been discussed time and time again.

The way I see it,

RP is not a government entity and does not have to recognize whoever calls whoever an LEO.

So far I have heard this from; MPs, Coast Guard, PA State Constables, Correctional Officers, and some other people who claim their job is law enforcement. No one doubts what your agency considers you, but for the purposes of RealPolice, it simply doesn't count.

Theres some that dont get verified that I personally dont agree with, but it's just the way the ball bounces in life.

[Switchback]

I think this has been discussed time and time again.

The way I see it,

RP is not a government entity and does not have to recognize whoever calls whoever an LEO.

So far I have heard this from; MPs, Coast Guard, PA State Constables, Correctional Officers, and some other people who claim their job is law enforcement. No one doubts what your agency considers you, but for the purposes of RealPolice, it simply doesn't count.

Theres some that dont get verified that I personally dont agree with, but it's just the way the ball bounces in life.

...and now, airline pilots. LOL

[Lawson]

...and now, airline pilots. LOL

Damnit, reading the FFDO thread inspired my list too... :p

[NateJVV]

Anybody take the Physical Agility yet? Was it hard? I still have not been called for FS or the Physical Agility. I'm wondering if any body has any idea's why they did not call me?

[NateJVV]

WAS wondering if anybody got the call to NYC DOC academy for Jan 17? I still have not been called for FS or Physical Agility? Think it's to late to be called?

[mcsap]

Anybody take the Physical Agility yet? Was it hard? I still have not been called for FS or the Physical Agility. I'm wondering if any body has any idea's why they did not call me?

You guys REALLY should start a NEW thread. This one isn't a good place to add onto. Mcsap-Moderator.

[Lawson]

Yes, we have all gotten the call for the NYC DOC physical agility test. Everyone passed, its over, everyone is actually getting a $150,000 sign on bonus and possibly a take-home car. Next hiring process is 2010. Good luck!

[MP_Steve]

...who are designated Peace Officers or LEOs in their states, city, whatever...should be verified.

If this were the case than some town Constables in the State of Maine would be "Verified LEO"s because most recieve reserve police officer training and are sworn in by their respective town manager to enforce criminal laws.

If this were the case we would be marking Military Police and Coast Guard personnel as "Verified LEO", as some of these personnel enforce the UCMJ, Title 18, State Law, and local laws. I've already had this fight over trying to verify Military Police but in the end I understood why they weren't and why it wasn't practical to do so.

The bottom line is that everywhere you go, police officers, as a general term pretty much are charged with the same duties. Like in NJ, you guys are obviously different than Corrections where I'm from. That's just how the cookie crumbled I guess...

[YouOughtaKnow]

Corrections officers are law enforcement officers because they do actually enforce laws. However, corrections officers are not police officers, or "cops." There is no disputing the differences in duties and training between COs and police officers.

I understand that RP cannot "verify" them as cops, that's completely reasonable. But maybe the problem here isn't whether they are or aren't law enforcement; maybe the problem is the "Verified LEO" tag itself.

To say COs are not law enforcement is not a fair assessment. The term "LEO" itself covers a very broad range of occupations which enforce laws. I can see why not including COs under that label is insulting to them.

I'm not trying to tell anybody how to run the board here, and I certainly don't want to step on any toes, but I'd like to offer a suggestion that maybe it would be more appropriate to change the verification identification tag to something like "Verified Police Officer" instead of "Verified LEO." That way it's narrowed down so no one has an argument about who is qualified to receive that status and who isn't.