Guards 'should knock before entering'

[Cat_Doc]

If we have a court order, however, we're coming in, and he's coming out. There's simply no other option, in that case.

Yes, Sir, I agree that a valid court order to remove an inmate will be honored, but you still have to jump through the hoops of prior notification to DOC.

There is no way one of those correctional officers, supervisors or wardens are going to let you just show up, produce ID and a court order, then crack the sally port and let you go in to grab a state inmate. It does not matter if you are USMS, FBI, ATF, state, county or city police.

Do you, by chance, remember the "domestic terrorist" incident in southern Arizona a few years ago in which a rail road track was sabotaged resulting in a large derailment? I worked for the Criminal Investigations Unit at ADOC at the time when a couple of suits from the FBI showed up to conduct an interview with an inmate. All they wanted to do was come in and have a secured, quiet place to question the guy, and it still took several hours before they could make it in because they had not made prior arrangements, even with me going to bat for them and assuring the warden I would escort the agents. (If I had not spoken in the agent's behalf, I am sure they would have been turned away and attempted the interview at a later date after a formal request went through HQ in Phoenix.)

Now, trying to show up with a court order, unannounced and not going through the DOC legal department to remove an inmate would be interesting to watch if the agents insisted on surrender of the inmate. I suppose they could threaten to arrest the custodial warden refusing to produce the inmate, but the inmate would not be released until the proper channels had been gone through. Guaranteed.

I smirk a little when I watch TV or movies in which a city detective marches into a prison like he owns the place and is allowed to go talk to an inmate in a cell, or get the inmate released to the detective’s custody. It don't work that way in real life. A whole lot of paperwork and signatures would be needed.

When I was in our homicide unit, we wanted to go interview an inmate in Nevada in regards to a cold case. It took several phone calls, faxed memorandums and hoops to jump through before permission was granted. Par for the course.

[Wolfman]

Prisoner = One who is in prison
In prison = no right to privacy

Am I missing something?

[Hockey9019]

Prisoner = One who is in prison
In prison = no right to privacy

Am I missing something?

Yup


ACLU, Al Sharpton, and so on= Making prisoners feel all cozy...

[Titansfanmjfink]

Most prisoners dont care about their privacy until it benefits them and gives them something to complain about. I've booked intoxicated inmates who as soon as I take them to a cell they are dropping trow to emply their bladder... before I can even close the door (moreso females than males). But then when I do my rounds and look through the door to make sure they haven't hanged themselves, I get accused of trying to "sneak a peek" and they want to file a complaint.

As far as I'm concerned prisoners have too many rights as it is... I'm expected to treat them the same way cops might treat a citizen on a traffic stop. F' that! That doesn't fly with me, I treat prisoners individually based on their behavior. If you give the cop a hard time during the arrest and transport... I might give you a window of opportunity to show me you're not a worthless, steaming pile. But close that window, and theres no reopening it. On the other hand, come in, call me "Sir" or "Officer", answer my questions, and don't talk **** about the officer that arrested you, and I'll be as nice to you as I can. On the other hand... I don't do favors for anyone, regardless of their behavior.

Its bad enough our local courts don't back us at all when it comes to charging people with crimes committed while in our jail. We had a turd throw a 20 pound steel camera stand at an officer in our jail and the judge refused to charge him with the felony assault charge for assaulting a police officer. Now the officer only received minor scrapes to his arm (injury or not the guy should have been charged), but had he not blocked it wth his arm, he'd likely have suffered serious damage to his eye and face. I guess on the bright side, that tool did get to "Ride the Lightning" a few times

But, I digress

[MP_Steve]

The things I take time to read these days... :rolleyes:

[Wolfman]

Yup


ACLU, Al Sharpton, and so on= Making prisoners feel all cozy...

Wait, I've just had an epiphany...

Perhaps if Al Sharpton were in prison....he could make them feel cozy in a variety of ways :D