What next??? With no amnesty

[sparta]

So what do you all think is going to happen next with the illegal aliens problem now that the amnesty law was a "NO GO". Is America going to allow them to still come in illegally and not do a darn thing about it, or do you think they, America will open the mexico border, or will they put a stop to this and start deporting? I mean they are already letting the mexican semi trucks in?????? What are your opinions?

[mxwelch]

Nothing is going to change because half the politicians get votes and the other half get cheap labor. They could care less how it affects us. Not all of them but enough to screw us over. As far as Mexican trucking goes my opinion is this. It won't be long before illegals take over yet another facet of the American workforce. After all they'll be doing jobs that no one else wants to do.:rolleyes: After they undercut American truckers due to no insurance and sub-standard equipment that is.

[gringoscott]

Well, if you're an illegal immigrant in California, you might be able to start receiving financial aid from the State to help you pay for school. There's going to be a rally at the Capitol on Thursday pressuring the Governor to sign the bill on his desk.

Here's what I posted on a message board that was encouraging people to attend the rally:

Warning, the following is a personal rant:

I receive nothing from the State because my parents make too much money. I receive nothing from my parents because I'm a big boy and get to take care of myself. I work two jobs and live in a room the size of a closet. I eat top ramen for my meals. I ride RT to and from work and school. I take nothing from anyone. I do not want the States money. I do not want my parents money. I do not want your money.

So many people in this country, both legal and illegal, feel that they are entitled. They feel entitled to free money. They feel entitled to free housing. They feel entitled to be able to ignore the law and be rewarded for it.

Well guess what folks? That's not the way life is. Nothing is free. You are entitled to nothing. If you want something, you get to work for it. If you want money for school get a scholarship for your achievements, a job, or a private loan (which our school does not accept.)

I don't care if you're European, African, Asian, Latin, Middle Eastern, Martian, Legal, or Illegal. It doesn't matter to me one bit. If you want money for school, you need to earn it. Whether that be academically, through a physical or musical talent, or just a plain 'ol job, nothing should come for free.


End of rant. Sorry.

But to answer the original poster, no I will not be attending your rally. Why should the government give money to a person who is blatantly breaking it's laws? That is ludicrous. Think people, think!

[normal1]

So all Illegal aliens are Mexican? I didn't know that :rolleyes:

[sparta]

Nothing is going to change because half the politicians get votes and the other half get cheap labor. They could care less how it affects us. Not all of them but enough to screw us over. As far as Mexican trucking goes my opinion is this. It won't be long before illegals take over yet another facet of the American workforce. After all they'll be doing jobs that no one else wants to do.:rolleyes: After they undercut American truckers due to no insurance and sub-standard equipment that is.

You got to be kidding how can we and our government just sit there and watch criminals take over what we fought for with sweat and blood. Do you really think they will take over America?

[sparta]

So all Illegal aliens are Mexican? I didn't know that :rolleyes:

Most are, look at the % of race of illegals in America? they are half the state of America now. The other day the L.A.P.D and I.C.E busted 1300 hundred illegals from the "latin" race 95% were criminals wanted in other "latin countries and in America. Also do you hear about Asians, Africans, Germans, and so on busting through the U.S borders? NOPE but look at mexico.

[normal1]

... Also do you hear about Asians, Africans, Germans, and so on busting through the U.S borders? NOPE but look at mexico.

I've heard of plenty of russians, asians and europeans using the mexican border to gain illegal entry into this country plenty of times. So you're saying because MOST of them are supposedbly mexican then those are the ones we should target, as opposed to ALL illegal aliens?

[sparta]

I've heard of plenty of russians, asians and europeans using the mexican border to gain illegal entry into this country plenty of times. So you're saying because MOST of them are supposedbly mexican then those are the ones we should target, as opposed to ALL illegal aliens?

Anna Gorman and Andrew Blankstein
Los Angeles Times

Federal officers in Southern California over the last two weeks have arrested more than 1,300 immigrants, most of whom either have criminal records or have failed to abide by deportation orders — part of an intensifying but controversial effort across the nation to remove such violators.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which plans to announce the operation at a news conference in Los Angeles today, called the sweep the largest of its kind in the U.S. Nearly 600 of those arrested at homes, workplaces and in jails have already been deported.

"Where these laws may not have been enforced in the past, that has changed," said Jim Hayes, Los Angeles field office director for ICE.

Since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, pressure has been growing on the federal government to crack down on illegal immigrants, especially those who have committed crimes. And ICE has been waging a public relations battle to show that it is addressing the problem.

In the recent ICE operation, nearly 90% of the immigrants arrested had criminal records, deportation orders or had reentered the United States after being removed. The rest, 146, were "collateral" arrests — people who encountered the agents and could not prove they were in the United States legally. Officers arrested 530 immigrants in their homes and workplaces and took custody of nearly 800 others from jails in Los Angeles, Orange, Ventura, Riverside and San Bernardino counties.

The 1,327 arrests surpassed the 1,297 undocumented immigrants arrested by ICE agents at meat processing plants in six states last December, part of an investigation into identity theft.

The enforcement is the latest example of the how some local law enforcement agencies are cooperating with federal authorities to ensure that criminals are identified and deported, rather than simply released from jail. ICE recently created a 24-hour command center, complete with a specific e-mail address and phone number, where local law enforcement officers can exchange information with immigration agents to identify possible deportees.

Though Los Angeles police, under a controversial policy, do not routinely inquire about suspects’ immigration status, Los Angeles, Riverside, Orange and San Bernardino counties have formal agreements with ICE that allow local sheriff’s officials to check the immigration status of inmates. ICE agents also work in some city jails, including Costa Mesa and Anaheim.

Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca called the partnership between ICE and jail personnel "very successful." He said his department had identified and interviewed 8,000 illegal immigrant inmates in the county jail system between January and September.

"It shows the volume in Los Angeles County is significant when it comes to the managing of illegal immigrants that have committed local crimes," Baca said.

In Orange County, officials found that about 10% of the 46,000 inmates that have gone through the system since mid-January were illegal immigrants.

"It’s exceeding our expectations," Sheriff Michael S. Carona said of the screening program. "The communities are slowly but surely" buying into it. "We are not going down the street asking people for their immigration status."

In many cities, there has been a rising backlash to special treatment of illegal immigrants, including in Los Angeles, where officers have long interpreted the department’s Special Order 40 as prohibiting them from asking the immigration status of suspects in most routine cases. Anti-illegal immigrant groups are suing to overturn the order.

The federal arrests also signal a change in how Immigration and Customs Enforcement deals with absconders and violators. In the past, most immigrants simply ignored their deportation orders, knowing there was little chance of arrest. Even those who were detained often posted bond and hid in plain sight in the community.

"There is no question that the immigration problems that our country is facing are problems that have grown over a long period of time," said ICE Assistant Secretary Julie L. Myers. "Historically, the agency was not aggressively focused on detaining those who posed a risk of flight."

But Myers said the agency is expanding bed space, detaining more immigrants and increasingly using alternatives to detention, such as electronic monitoring.

In 2003, ICE created 17 fugitive operations teams to target specific immigrants. As of this week, there are 75 such teams around the nation, including five in the Los Angeles area. Since the program’s inception, ICE teams have arrested more than 61,000 immigrants, including 17,331 who had criminal convictions.

Overall, there are an estimated 595,000 immigration fugitives in the United States, down 37,000 from a year ago — marking the first-ever decline, ICE authorities said.

About 1,100 of the recent arrestees were from Mexico. An additional 170 were from Central America, and others were from countries including Vietnam, Indonesia and Ireland. They had committed crimes such as burglary, domestic violence, assault and transportation of drugs, agents said. Some of them were legal, permanent residents who were deportable because of the crimes they committed.

The U.S. attorney’s office plans to prosecute more than 45 of the arrestees for reentry after deportation, a felony that could land them in prison for up to 20 years.

"These are people who, No. 1 , have no right to be in the United States legally and they’ve exacerbated that crime by committing additional crimes," Hayes said. "These aren’t people that we want in our communities. These aren’t just people looking for work."

At 5:15 a.m. last Thursday, several armed officers wearing bullet-proof vests met at a Food 4 Less parking lot in Maywood. Supervisory Agent Jorge Field ran through the list of targets they were seeking.

Among them was Ramon Yac Mahik. Field showed the officers his photo and recited his information: Male from Guatemala. Thirty-five years old. Previous convictions for vehicle theft and domestic violence. An Immigration Court ruled against him. His appeal was denied by the Board of Immigration Appeals.

Several ICE vehicles pulled up quietly on his street in Los Angeles and within seconds the officers had surrounded the house. They knocked on the front door, but the people living at the apartment didn’t know him. Then a woman came down a side stairway leading to an upstairs apartment.

Field asked her name and her husband’s name. After getting permission to go inside, officers found Mahik. Field told him that he had an immigration warrant for his arrest. After the Guatemalan said goodbye to his children and gave his wife his boss’ phone number, he was handcuffed and escorted to a van.

Later that morning, he sat on a metal bench at an immigration processing center in Santa Ana. In an interview, he acknowledged his criminal record but said it was from years earlier and that he deserved to have a chance to stay in the United States. Mahik said he was ordered deported in 1999 after posting bond and then failing to show up in court. where are all the others that your talking about like Russians please how many Russians are in this Country compared to the latins?

[normal1]

Way to dodge the question.

[sparta]

Way to dodge the question.

YES! they are the bulk of this problem we have not had this that bad back in the 80's and less with the ones you have mentioned.

[sparta]

And remember this is not a race thing it is about the LAW and doing it the right way in the front door. In Reno the other day a illegal store owner from mexico raised the mexican flag over the American flag up on top of his store. And of course a U.S Army vet went over and ripped it down. what would you do? Allow that. I don't care what race it is. It is just wrong the problem is bad among the south.

Anyways why don't we get back to the point what is next for America? Will illegals of all race including south of the border take this Country?

[normal1]

And remember this is not a race thing it is about the LAW and doing it the right way in the front door. In Reno the other day a illegal store owner from mexico raised the mexican flag over the American flag up on top of his store. And of course a U.S Army vet went over and ripped it down. what would you do? Allow that. I don't care what race it is. It is just wrong the problem is bad among the south.

Anyways why don't we get back to the point what is next for America? Will illegals of all race including south of the border take this Country?

If it were in fact about the law, like you say, then it shouldn't matter who the BULK is. Anyone who is here illegally should be targeted and prosecuted just the same, not just target a specific group.

I'll leave it at that. As far as the Topic at hand, I have no idea what's next for the U.S. all I know is it isn't good and it isn't going to be all about illegal immigrants.

[gringoscott]

As far as I can tell we will assimilate illegals into our country. The "illegal" in illegal immigrant will be nothing more than a word.

We will allow them to get jobs, buy houses, and collect government aid.

They will be immune from prosecution for the laws that they have broken.

We will give them drivers licenses, bank accounts, and private loans.

They will be allowed to send billions of dollars overseas to support their families in countries many of us wouldn't be able to point out on a map. Said family members would one day come to our country illegally to join their family already here illegally. Many of these immigrants will not assimilate to our culture for two or three generations. Maybe more.

[sparta]

As far as I can tell we will assimilate illegals into our country. The "illegal" in illegal immigrant will be nothing more than a word.

We will allow them to get jobs, buy houses, and collect government aid.

They will be immune from prosecution for the laws that they have broken.

We will give them drivers licenses, bank accounts, and private loans.

They will be allowed to send billions of dollars overseas to support their families in countries many of us wouldn't be able to point out on a map. Said family members would one day come to our country illegally to join their family already here illegally. Many of these immigrants will not assimilate to our culture for two or three generations. Maybe more.

What proof do you have is this for real? I mean will America allow this? And what time frame are we looking at for this take over? Many generations or soon? And what about us Americans do we just sit down and live with it? And will this be a mass over take or just the ones that are all ready here will get what you described in your post?

[mxwelch]

Way to dodge the question.

You're one to talk about dodging a question.:rolleyes: The overwhelmeing majority of illegals ARE Mexican and to claim otherwise for fear of being called a racist is foolish.

You're argument is akin to someone condemning the Nazis during WWII and then having someone cry: "But, but, the Romanians declared war on us too..."

While the Romanians did in fact declare war on us they were a very small player in the game. Same thing.