What next??? With no amnesty

[Cat_Doc]

So all Illegal aliens are Mexican? I didn't know that :rolleyes:

Initial derailing of thread. A precursor to the stance that “Mexicans” are being unjustly focused on with an inaccurate implication that illegal entry into our country by other nationalities is being ignored by immigration and customs officials.

Try and be clear before posting. I never said anything about race..

You did not utilize the word “Race” but your intent was quite clear.

I'm not going to continue to argue my point because if I were the OP I'd be a little bothered that the thread has gone awry, so we'll leave it at that.

Historically, at what point did the thread go awry and what was the cause of it going off topic? For assistance, refer to the following quote:

I agree that I may have derailed the thread, and I apologize for that, that was not my intention.

You did derail the thread. You chose to put the OP on the spot by attempting to engage him/her in a debate of what you appear to support as biased and unfair enforcement of immigration laws against the “Mexicans.”

If what I see on this thread is any indication, this issue is going to go downhill and it will go downhill fast without benefiting anyone. IMVHO

That tends to happen when one diverts the focus of the OP’s question then engages in evasion and rationalization.

Members are now more interested in the off-topic exchanges than the original topic.

This is not the first time this has happened and there appears to be a common denominator when it comes to stirring the pot, followed by evasion and rationalization, finalized by “I am taking my ball home so nobody can play.”

I see much youth and idealism in your posts and I find a fair portion of your input to be interesting.

However, I suggest you sweep your own porch before you sweep your neighbor’s when it comes to your recommendation of “Try and be clear before posting.”

[normal1]

Damn! I always fall into these exchanges with you gents. Like a moth to light =/

I suppose I could sit here and try to win your hearts and try and explain my intent, but I wonder how that would be interpreted. I keep on trying to pick people's brains but instead of an insightful conversation it turns into YOU against ME and eventually ends up with someone throwing out some off-the-cuff remark intended to offend someone's intelligence.

[Cat_Doc]

I suppose I could sit here and try and explain my intent.

I eventually figured your intent was that all illegal immigrants should be treated the same. You just did not come across that way until later in the post, then you appeared to engage instead of clarifying your point.

I apologize if I hurt your feelings. I should tone it down a bit, there are some fairly sensitive people running around and I seem to set them off. My bad.

[normal1]

I eventually figured your intent was that all illegal immigrants should be treated the same. You just did not come across that way until later in the post, then you appeared to engage instead of clarifying your point.

I apologize if I hurt your feelings. I should tone it down a bit, there are some fairly sensitive people running around and I seem to set them off. My bad.

lol absolutely not - It may not seem like it to you guys, but I can take the heat - My problem is I just can't seem to figure out how to get my point across effectively through this media sometimes

[sparta]

lol absolutely not - It may not seem like it to you guys, but I can take the heat - My problem is I just can't seem to figure out how to get my point across effectively through this media sometimes

Why Illegal Immigration is a Threat to the United States...
Saturday, September 22, 2007 - Tom DeWeese-the publisher/editor of The DeWeese Report








In June, 2007 a solid eighty percent of the American people let Congress know they wanted the government to put the brakes on illegal immigration; they turned thumbs down on the President's guest worker amnesty plan; and they wanted tax-paid services to illegals stopped.

Most Americans understand that new laws are not needed to stop illegal immigration. What is necessary is repeal of some laws granting taxpayer-financed services to illegals along with enforcement of existing laws. These two acts would be enough to stop the migration. In simple fact, they are called "illegal" because they are breaking the law.

In truth, the battle over the Senate's guest worker-amnesty plan is really a battle over attempts to open the border as called for in programs such as North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP). Both plans call for open borders and economic integration of North America. Open borders are required to fully implement the plans.

The Bush Administration and those promoting illegal immigration were frankly stunned at the force and determination of U.S. citizens to reject the Senates immigration plan. Proponents played a very heavy hand in attempting to force the scheme on a resisting citizenry. Such powerful forces are not used to losing. Today they continue to seek new ways to work around the opposition and pass the legislation, as a whole or incrementally.

However, the anti-illegal fervor refuses to abate and in fact, dramatic new developments are taking place in local communities across the nation that may well stop the unpopular Federal schemes.

Meanwhile, in an attempt to weaken the resolve of opponents, they are called fringe fanatics. A common tactic employed by immigration proponents is to accuse opponents of racism. They charge that opponents want to deny a new breed of immigrant the chance to become Americans as many of our immigrant forefathers did. They paint a Norman Rockwell-type picture of honest, hard working immigrants, planting gardens, working in fields, doing the work "no Americans want to do."

So, in town after town across the nation the battle rages. And that is really the point. Illegal immigration is not just a border issue. It is a national issue affecting every large city and almost every small town. It must be understood that illegal immigration is not just a matter of some unhappy peasants hoping to seek a better life. It is a $300 billion a year industry, combining the interests of multinational corporations with those of drug cartels and Latino street gangs. Caught in between are American communities and the American way of life. Some cities, especially those along the points of entry at the border have become dangerous no-mans lands, where no property is safe, no American citizen is able to leave their home unarmed and some politicians turn a blind eye as they profit under the table. As a result American civilization is beginning to break down. That is why so many Americans refuse to back down on the issue, continuing to demand a crack down, no matter what name calling they must endure.

THE ECONOMIC COST OF ILLEGALS
Federal law (the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act) mandates that all hospitals with emergency-room services must treat anyone who shows up - including illegal aliens. In most cities across the nation, illegals now use the emergency rooms as free primary care. And the hospitals have to keep taking them.

Health Care
The annual cost for uncompensated emergency care to Mexican Border States (California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas) is $200 million. California taxpayers paid $79 million for illegal alien health care. Four major Los Angeles hospitals were bankrupted and shut down in 2004. Texas paid $74 million. Georgia ran a $63 million deficit for 64,000 unpaid doctor visits in 2002. Cochise County, Arizona spent 30% of its annual budget on uncompensated care to illegal aliens. University Medical Care in Tucson, Arizona spent $10 million on uncompensated care to illegal aliens. 77 hospitals in the four Border States now face financial emergencies. Legal citizens are forced to fly emergency patients to other cities for treatment. Taxes are going up to compensate.

Meanwhile, as a result of the Federal Emergency Medical Act, Mexican ambulance drivers are transporting hospital patients unable to pay for medical care in Mexico to facilities in the United States. The ambulances are driving through unguarded potions of the border with "little resistance" at the instruction of Mexican officials.

Education
Federal laws and a Supreme Court decision mandate that schools cannot deny free education to illegal aliens. Over 300,000 pregnant women enter the nation illegally every year. Taxpayers pay for food, housing medical care and school. The average annual cost per child for education is $7,161, totaling $109 billion to educate illegal aliens annually. The average cost of bilingual education is $1,200 per illegal student. U.S. schools annually educate 1.1 million illegal children. Schools have become over crowded and unruly. Teacher shortages (especially those who speak Spanish) are a growing problem for local school districts.

One teacher has reported what it is like in the classrooms in schools where federal tax dollars pay for free medical, free baby sitters for student mothers as young as thirteen, and free breakfasts (where "the waste of food is monumental, with trays and trays of being dumped in the trash uneaten"), new computers are "carved with graffiti by students." "I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less than three months who raise so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" (whores) and throwing things that the teachers were in tears" she reports. Such is the atmosphere in today's schools which are overrun by illegal aliens who speak no English and there is no ability to control or discipline.

Moreover, state run colleges and universities are being forced to allow illegal aliens to receive in-state tuition discounts that are supposed to be reserved for residents of that state. In California, a law, (Assembly Bill 540) allows undocumented high school graduates who have been in residence for three years to enroll in community colleges and the California State University and University of California systems without paying nonresident tuition. The same is true in many other states across the country.

The Jobs Americans Don't Want
In 2003, illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion, while American college and high school students can't find summer jobs in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs - because illegal aliens work those jobs at a third of the wage - often under the table.

Crime
Crimes committed by alien criminals, such as rape, murder or drug distribution costs U.S. taxpayers $1.6 billion in prison costs alone. The figure doesn't include the cost of lost property, medical bills of the victims, time lost from work to recover, higher insurance costs, etc. Today, illegal aliens make up twenty nine percent of the U.S. prison population - or 500,000 illegals.

Latino gangs like Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS13) constitute most of the crime from the ranks of the illegals. They originated in El Salvador and today their U.S. leadership still comes from there. They steal cars and use them to run drugs over the border. They terrorize local citizens with violence. They are the chief source of drug sales for the cartels. And they are racists.

MS13 is the largest and most violent of all gangs in the US today. They have overtaken the Crips and the Bloods both in size and violence. MS13, which began its operations in Los Angeles has now moved east and is prominent on the East Coast.

In Los Angeles, Mexican gangs declared "ethnic cleansing zones" in specific parts of the city. They kill whites and blacks. In New Jersey, recently, MS13 gang members killed three college students in execution style.

NO MANS LAND AT THE BORDER
No legal citizen of the United States of America, living under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights should have to live as those who reside near the U.S. / Mexican border. Here there are no property rights, no ability to be safe in their homes, and no peace. One dare not go to the movies, the grocery or visit a relative without carrying a weapon for protection. Through out the community the streets are teaming with drug dealers, loiterers and gangs bent on violence.

The illegals flood across their property having just crossed the border. As they pass over the ranches and private property they leave a trail of trash, human waste and dead farm animals and pets. Found in the trash that is dropped all along the trail are pieces of paper containing contact phone numbers. Also found are Korans dropped by obvious Muslims who have made their way across the border.

Sometimes the illegals walk right in to the living rooms and steal what they want. Many homes on the border are now little more than prisons for the residents, surrounded by barbed wire, searchlights, with loaded guns at the ready.

The Tucson, Arizona area is one of the prime crossing points for illegals. The organization for transporting illegals is almost a precision military operation. On the Mexican side of the border is a landing strip where planes fly in on a regular basis with their cargo. Some of it human; some drugs. It's all the same to those providing the transportation.

The planes land and the cargo is loaded onto busses with the windows whited out. Young girls prepare for the trip by taking birth control, for they know what awaits them on the trip across the border from their "travel assistants" - rape. It's just part of the price for crossing the border into the promised land of America.

The busses drive to a specific location on the border. Here the cargo is unloaded and the process of walking across the border begins. Each of the human cargo is given information on what to do once they reach the other side, including a phone number of someone to call. The number is not necessarily a local number. It may be a location in Virginia, or Maine or Utah. Anywhere in the U.S. The person on the other end gives instructions on how to gain transportation to their location where they will be brought into the illegal community in that city.

And so the journey across the border begins. Somewhere in the middle, between Mexico and the U.S. is a tree. From the branches of that tree hang women's panties. It's called the panty tree. Why? Trophies from the raped women of previous journeys. It's just the cost of doing business with the "Coyotes," the murderous thugs who run the illegal immigrant trade. They don't care who lives or dies. These are the ones who will leave illegals locked in trucks without food or water or ventilation. They charge enormous fees - up front. To them the cargo is all the same. They carry the drugs with the humans. They make deals with terrorists for the same trip. They rape, maim and kill. And go back for another load. Business is booming.

Once the cargo is inside the U.S., more busses are there to pick them up and transport them to drop off points. Here the phone calls are made for arrangements of more transportation across the nation. And in that highly organized manner, illegal aliens make their way into American cities.

Some are "Sanctuary Cities" where politicians have decided it's good for the community to encourage illegals to live. In such communities no one can ask for the country of origin, even if a crime as horrible as murder is committed. The sanctuaries permit 20 million illegals, drug smugglers, child sex rings, ID forgery networks, and an assortment of run of the mill criminals to live lawlessly inside the United States. They are provided with income, identification, driver's licenses, credit, housing, education, and medical care at taxpayer expense.

As stated, it's a $300 billion a year industry. That buys a lot of politicians. Along the Border States no one talks about it. And, no surprise, a lot of politicians do nothing to stop it. Our fear and their greed are destroying the American dream.

MEANWHILE IN YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY�
How a community treats the illegals is key as to how many come there. The main magnet is the establishment of a day labor center. The nation-wide illegal network knows where to send them. If a community opens its arms, of course they flock there. If a community stands up to them, they leave.

But that is easier said than done. First, federal laws or lack of enforcement hampers efforts against the illegals, no matter the sentiment of the community. Federal courts strike down local laws, such as just happened in Hazleton, Pennsylvania when a federal judge degreed that laws the community had passed to crack down on illegals were unconstitutional. Federal agencies say it is illegal for local police to ask if anyone is an illegal. The federal government argues that immigration is a federal issue and for local communities to take action interferes with U.S. foreign policy.

On the local level too, there is great pressure on elected officials to do nothing. Strong lobbying arms protect the illegals. The ACLU, of course, threatens lawsuits. But many Americans would be surprised to learn of the Hispanic forces behind much of the pressure applied to their local officials.

Many immigrant groups are joined together through the La Raza movement. These are the groups which organized the massive demonstrations in cities across the nation last year. It is past time for all Americans to know what is at the root of those demonstrations and the extent to which our nation is at risk to the La Raza movement.

One of the most prominent Hispanic organizations pushing for "immigrant rights" is the National Council of La Raza - the Council of "the Race." The mainstream media and most members of Congress depict La Raza as little more than a Hispanic Rotary Club. In 2005, La Raza received $15.2 million in federal grants, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools, and undisclosed amounts to get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions including lobbying for open borders and amnesty for illegals. Had the Senate's immigration bill passed, several million more dollars were budgeted for La Raza.

Behind the respectable front of the National Council of La Raza lies the real agenda of the La Raza movement. This radical agenda, pushed by secondary groups contains the reasons behind the demonstrations and the strong lobbying efforts in our communities.

Key among those secondary groups is the radical racist group Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Astlan (MEChA). MEChA seeks to carve a racist nation out of the American West. MEChA opposes assimilation into American society. MEChA is a leader in the effort to "Reconquista" or reconquest our western states.

MEChA's founding principles state: "In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny... Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and no to the foreign Europeans... For La Raza to do. Fuera de la Raza nada." That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: "For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing."

These words don't come from a fringe radical element. These come straight from the official MEChA sites at Georgetown University, the University of Texas, UCLA, University of Michigan, University of Oregon, and many other colleges and universities around the country.

Another leading Hispanic group involved in community organization, promoting the pro illegal position is Mexicanos Sin Fronteras. The translation of the name means "Mexicans Without Borders." This group is active throughout the country and many times works with the "Zapatista Army of National Liberation." These groups seek to radicalize the Latino community. The official website of the Mexicanos Sin Fronteras states that it is "anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist in the capital of the most terrorist country of world-wide history" (Washington, DC). It goes on to say it pledges its support to "other campaigns" of the radical illegal Hispanics with material and financial assistance.

In Manassas, Virginia the Mexicanos Sin Fronteras and the Zapatista Army of National Liberation are the two most prominent "pro-Hispanic" voices. In fact, these two groups are spearheading the illegal alien lobby in Prince William County, where Manassas is located. This is the "mainstream opposition" to efforts to curb illegal immigration in that community. Together, these groups are holding rallies and calling for boycotts and even the violent overthrow of the United States. Again, these groups are not fringe radicals. They are the most prominent voices for the illegals.

The photo on this page is of a meeting in Mexico with many of these groups. It is interesting to note that speaker in this picture, with his face covered, is Arnoldo Borjas a member of Mexicanos Sin Fronteras and a resident of Woodbridge, Virginia. He is one of the main leaders in that local movement. Further, in Prince William County, there are several candidates running for local office as well as the state legislature who are closely aligned with these two radical organizations.

FIGHTING BACK
While Congress fiddles and the Bush Administration issues meaningless pronouncements on "get tough" programs it never intends to enforce, local communities and state legislatures are beginning to fight back. And they are meeting with success.

State Legislatures, forced to deal with the failure of the federal government to fix the immigration laws, have considered 1,404 immigration bills this year and enacted 170 of them. These laws are aimed at curbing employment of illegals and making it more difficult to obtain state identification documents like driver's licenses.

In May, Oklahoma passed the "Taxpayer and Citizen protection Act" which denies illegals state identification, and requires all state and local agencies to verify citizenship status of all applicants before authorizing benefits.

On the local level incredible success is being achieved in Northern Virginia. Last year two residents of Herndon, Virginia, with no prior political experience, began an effort called Save Herndon. The issue was the establishment of a day labor center in the community. The center would give illegals a gathering place in the community to help them get jobs, identification and benefits from the community.

The two began a campaign that at once made a major issue out of the establishment of the center. When the mayor and the city council moved forward and voted to establish the center over the objections of a majority of the citizens, Save Herndon began a campaign to assure these representatives were not re-elected. They succeeded beyond their wildest expectations, helping to out the mayor and everyone on the city council who voted for the center.

Now the movement is growing across the Northern Virginia area. There is now Help Save Manassas, Help Save Loudoun (County), Help Save Fairfax, Help Save Virginia and Help Save Maryland. Together these purely grassroots movements have succeeded in enacting legislation in Loudoun County (the nation's fastest growing county) and in its neighbor, Prince William County which stops county tax-payer services to illegals. Incredibly, under challenge from federal and state officials, the members of county commissioners are holding tough behind the laws.

The key, as stated earlier, is the day labor centers. If your city has one, then the message has gone out to the illegal infrastructure that your community welcomes them. Get rid of it and send the message that they are no longer welcome. If faced with lawsuits from the ACLU and La Raze, welcome them. Tell them you will gladly have a news conference to discuss their suit in front of the cameras. Do not be afraid.

Here are a few guidelines to help organize locally and face the coming onslaught of charges of racism.

DON'T express anger at what is happening to your community. DON'T express annoyance because illegals refuse to assimilate into your community or abide by your customs. DON'T make the issue economic and safety issues. Overcrowded housing and commercial vehicle zoning violations or that specific individuals are illegal aliens.

The pro-illegals will try to tell the public that there is uncertainty as to who is illegal, creating doubt. They will talk about how impossible it is to check everyone's legal status. It will be easy to charge racism.

Instead, make the issues about the abrogation of law. Focus your efforts against the individuals, businesses and politicians who create this problem and cheat honest business owners and workers by allowing illegal hiring practices under the table. In short, make the issue about enforcement of the law, cost and corruption. It's working in Virginia.

Today, we have the chance to not only stop the flood of illegal aliens, but in the process, deflate the size and power of the federal government in the process. It's time to organize Help Save America



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[wreckdiver21]

When I see Russian illegals (or anyone else for that matter) protesting in the street demanding benefits, waving their flag, and bankrupting our healthcare system then I'll say they should be addressed first.

Germany Well I came from Germany in 87 legally I was married to a Military Officer for 18 years.
But I have to say when I got here I had to learn the language no one offered me healthcare as a matter of fact I had to sign a paper that said if I tried to apply for any Government aid I could be deported not that I had any intention of using it anyway my point is I cam to this country to make a new life to fit in not to bring Germany with me.
I am very much German and always will be but I believe you have to be part of the country you call home.
If you don't like the rules go back I had to fight for what I got nobody gave me things written in German it was either figure it out or get lost.
I still get irritated when I talk to people who have been here for several years and just find it to hard to learn English so everyone else should learn there language to communicate with them:confused:
I have learned what I needed to survive and to fit in I do believe does things a little better as far as dealing with people and there rights but this isn't Germany.
So I deal with it here the American way.

[mxwelch]

Germany Well I came from Germany in 87 legally I was married to a Military Officer for 18 years.
But I have to say when I got here I had to learn the language no one offered me healthcare as a matter of fact I had to sign a paper that said if I tried to apply for any Government aid I could be deported not that I had any intention of using it anyway my point is I cam to this country to make a new life to fit in not to bring Germany with me.
I am very much German and always will be but I believe you have to be part of the country you call home.
If you don't like the rules go back I had to fight for what I got nobody gave me things written in German it was either figure it out or get lost.
I still get irritated when I talk to people who have been here for several years and just find it to hard to learn English so everyone else should learn there language to communicate with them:confused:
I have learned what I needed to survive and to fit in I do believe does things a little better as far as dealing with people and there rights but this isn't Germany.
So I deal with it here the American way.

A LOT has changed from 1987.

If I went to a foreign country country to live I'd expect no concessions of any kind. It would be up to me to learn the language and to assimilate into that culture. Doesn't mean I'd give up my identity but doesn't mean I'd try to turn my present address into my old one either.

When I see people living here who refuse to pledge allegiance to this country, learn our language, accept our customs, and try to screw it over in every way possible I get very pissed off.


From reading your post I believe you did it the right way.

[Valor55]

Germany Well I came from Germany in 87 legally I was married to a Military Officer for 18 years.
But I have to say when I got here I had to learn the language no one offered me healthcare as a matter of fact I had to sign a paper that said if I tried to apply for any Government aid I could be deported not that I had any intention of using it anyway my point is I cam to this country to make a new life to fit in not to bring Germany with me.
I am very much German and always will be but I believe you have to be part of the country you call home.
If you don't like the rules go back I had to fight for what I got nobody gave me things written in German it was either figure it out or get lost.
I still get irritated when I talk to people who have been here for several years and just find it to hard to learn English so everyone else should learn there language to communicate with them:confused:
I have learned what I needed to survive and to fit in I do believe does things a little better as far as dealing with people and there rights but this isn't Germany.
So I deal with it here the American way.

Your effort to come here legally, do the paperwork, learn the language, and integrate with the culture is very admirable. If everyone from Central America did that we would not have the problems that we do and this debate would not be taking place. You are not the problem. The problem is the people who sneak in, don't do the paperwork, refuse to even try and learn the language, and reject our culture.

[wreckdiver21]

A LOT has changed from 1987.

If I went to a foreign country country to live I'd expect no concessions of any kind. It would be up to me to learn the language and to assimilate into that culture. Doesn't mean I'd give up my identity but doesn't mean I'd try to turn my present address into my old one either.

When I see people living here who refuse to pledge allegiance to this country, learn our language, accept our customs, and try to screw it over in every way possible I get very pissed off.


From reading your post I believe you did it the right way.

I have to agree a lot has changed but one thing shouldn't have to change when you move to another Country to live and I don't care what country it is you need to adapt.
There are several country's I wouldn't even consider moving to because I could never get used to there customs or how women are treated.
But at the same time coming to this country there is so much diversity within the country it is hard to figure out what custom you should or shouldn't adapt.
But one thing should have to happen IN MY OPINION everyone should have to learn the language and not expect everyone else to cater to there way they used to do things back home.
In your own house you can do as you wish but I shouldn't be forced to go to school to learn a different language to keep my job when I didn't leave the country.
I speak two languages that is enough for me.

[wreckdiver21]

Your effort to come here legally, do the paperwork, learn the language, and integrate with the culture is very admirable. If everyone from Central America did that we would not have the problems that we do and this debate would not be taking place. You are not the problem. The problem is the people who sneak in, don't do the paperwork, refuse to even try and learn the language, and reject our culture.

Well maybe if this country didn't cater so much to illegal like giving the medical food stamps and everything else it wouldn't be so bad.
But why not come here most of them can get a Drivers License work and live the life.
I worked for a company that had half of it's workforce hauled off in one day because they where her illegally will that stop them from hiring illegal again only if they are fined hit the pocket book and people pay attention.
Like I said befor I have made my mistakes and I am still who I am there are many things out of my culture that I still do but it dosen't get in the way of doing what I need to.

[Valor55]

Well maybe if this country didn't cater so much to illegal like giving the medical food stamps and everything else it wouldn't be so bad.
But why not come here most of them can get a Drivers License work and live the life.
I worked for a company that had half of it's workforce hauled off in one day because they where her illegally will that stop them from hiring illegal again only if they are fined hit the pocket book and people pay attention.
Like I said befor I have made my mistakes and I am still who I am there are many things out of my culture that I still do but it dosen't get in the way of doing what I need to.

I think most of us agree with you. We can get rid of all the illegal aliens without deporting them.

1. We must make it easy for businesses to reliably check work status.

2. Heavily fine and punish businesses that hire illegals. Illegals won't be able to work.

3. You must have legal status for children to attend school and to receive any welfare benefits.

4. Medical attention for anything but actual emergencies must be refused to anyone not here legally.

5. We must remove the anchor clause allowing anyone born here a citizen. The parents must be here as legal citizens for their child to be a citizen. I was born of American parents who were overseas. I was not automatically a citizen of the host country they were living in, they had to get me documented with the State Department and my citizenship as an American established immediately or face deportation. That country did not allow me a "dual citizenship" either. My birth in that country gave me no rights as a citizen there. We should do the same thing for visitors here.

If we implemented these procedures the Border Patrol would be waving to the illegal immigrants as they crossed the border heading home. Then we would be able to easily identify drug traffickers and terrorists coming over the border.

[wreckdiver21]

I think most of us agree with you. We can get rid of all the illegal aliens without deporting them.

1. We must make it easy for businesses to reliably check work status.

2. Heavily fine and punish businesses that hire illegals. Illegals won't be able to work.

3. You must have legal status for children to attend school and to receive any welfare benefits.

4. Medical attention for anything but actual emergencies must be refused to anyone not here legally.

5. We must remove the anchor clause allowing anyone born here a citizen. The parents must be here as legal citizens for their child to be a citizen. I was born of American parents who were overseas. I was not automatically a citizen of the host country they were living in, they had to get me documented with the State Department and my citizenship as an American established immediately or face deportation. That country did not allow me a "dual citizenship" either. My birth in that country gave me no rights as a citizen there. We should do the same thing for visitors here.

If we implemented these procedures the Border Patrol would be waving to the illegal immigrants as they crossed the border heading home. Then we would be able to easily identify drug traffickers and terrorists coming over the border.

I wished I had a few more answers than just pointing out what a lot of people already know.
But unless this country starts thinking in the way that it needs to do more for a lot of people rather than that one individual who might get his or her feelings hurt or stepped on it will be hard to change anything. And with illegal willing to work for nothing because they won't complain and some people thinking they need to get paid 50 dollars an hour to do nothing it doesn't work.
I am sure I am ticking people off but I believe it is a large part of the problem.
Lawyers that can sue over anything costing the industry millions to defend.
Nobody wanting to take responsibility for there actions.
I am not a Citizen of the US as of now most of it because everytime I had the money to file something went wrong and I had to use the money for something else and now it is even more expensive than ever.
But I pay my taxes including for all those illegal aliens and I don't even get the benefits until I become a Citizen which if fine.
But I work I pay my dues and I don't try to live off the Government.

[Question]

We need a Constitutional Amendment to amend the 14th Amendment to remove the "anchor clause". Simply put, it's not going to happen.

Both the states (see De Canas v. Bica) and the federal government can severely penalize employers for hiring illegal immigrants. Futhermore, we can deport all illegal immigrants that are arrested or ticketed by law enforcement for other criminal offenses. Of course, in order for this provision to work, we need to deny state ID to illegal immigrants.

I would be willing to support an "amnesty" (i.e. the federal government would not pursue criminal charges but would still enforce the 10 year prohibition before getting to start again in the back of the line) if the illegal immigrant voluntarily decided to go home. Of course, immigration background checks seem to work a lot like police employment background checks (with a lot less scrutiny of course). Thus, if an illegal immigrant is caught lying about being an illegal in a new application for legal citizenship, he or she must be banned for life to enter the United States.