Deal May Legalize Millions of Immigrants

[samuel08]

It's traditional and historic America to find new scapegoats-its always been done. It makes people in power (including the growing military-police infrastructure) feel that the answer to America's problems are found in a group of people who aren't the majority of harnosed criminals. What they've done, cross illegaly, IS illegal, but laws haven't and aren't always so moraly dignified to be obeyed-I would choose the defending the seperation of a family over any law. - Quote: "As most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders, serve the state chiefly with their heads, and as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the Devil, without intending it, as God." - Henry David Thoreau-Civil Disobedience
God Bless-

[Big Sexy]

Wow. Talk about making an impact. Right from the getty up too. Straight vodka, no chaser. Just jump on in there and make an impact, in a thread that's been dead for 3 months now. A force to be reckoned with, you truly must be.

IWhat they've done, cross illegaly, IS illegal, but laws haven't and aren't always so moraly dignified to be obeyed-I would choose the defending the seperation of a family over any law.

Since when is enforcing the law concerning ones sovereignty morally repugnant?? Since when is deciding where one has to enter your country not morally dignified??

Now, if one intentionally defied the above, started their little family, once again in defiance of said law. Why o' why should they be rewarded, for their behavior which was illegal from the jump. Because they got some girl pregnant or allowed themselves to get pregnant, it should automatically null and void their initial illegal behavior??

Under that theory, BIG can break into your house and refuse to leave it on the grounds that his wife was impregnated there and it would be a hardship to make her move. Even more unfair if she actually had the baby in your home. So what we broke into your place and started a family, now we're here and you shouldn't put me out of your home, because I feel as if we belong here.

Go home little Samuel08, for you cause no fear here. :rolleyes:

[samuel08]

I see you're very gun-hoe about this-I never said enforcing The Law (in a general sense) was repugnant. I said, not all laws are Just-African-Americans broke establish segregation laws, women had to rebell against established domestic and traditional laws, and the American colonists broke established English laws because they didn't think the tax was fair. Just the same, in my perspective, a good man, (I won't use BIG) comes illegaly into this country with wife, they have a baby, and the baby is now a U.S. citizen. Don't you think that if this family is a good-hard working family, and not the 'loose' type you try to stereotype with the pregnancy comparison you gave, then isn't keeping a family together the RIGHT-Republican-Human thing to do? Or from a legal standpoint, isn't the protection and well-being of that child more important now because HE/SHE IS a United States Citizen? We shouldn't be robotic to 'LAWS'. I know it makes people feel powerful to do so, but looking at a case by case scenerio should be considered, afterall, I don't think none of us follow the law to its exact meanings.

[Norm357]

I see you're very gun-hoe about this-I never said enforcing The Law (in a general sense) was repugnant. I said, not all laws are Just-African-Americans broke establish segregation laws, women had to rebell against established domestic and traditional laws, and the American colonists broke established English laws because they didn't think the tax was fair. Just the same, in my perspective, a good man, (I won't use BIG) comes illegaly into this country with wife, they have a baby, and the baby is now a U.S. citizen. Don't you think that if this family is a good-hard working family, and not the 'loose' type you try to stereotype with the pregnancy comparison you gave, then isn't keeping a family together the RIGHT-Republican-Human thing to do? Or from a legal standpoint, isn't the protection and well-being of that child more important now because HE/SHE IS a United States Citizen? We shouldn't be robotic to 'LAWS'. I know it makes people feel powerful to do so, but looking at a case by case scenerio should be considered, afterall, I don't think none of us follow the law to its exact meanings.

Surely you can't be serious?

Someone breaks the law to get here, continues to break the law by being here, and you say they should be rewarded by being made legal?

As the grandchild of imigrants, I find the illegals repugnant. I find their demands for Citizenship repugnant. I find their drain on public resources repugnant. I find their openly flaunting our laws repugnant.

Your defense of these invaders, well, I find that repugnant too.

[Tater]

I see you're very gun-hoe about this-I never said enforcing The Law (in a general sense) was repugnant. I said, not all laws are Just-African-Americans broke establish segregation laws, women had to rebell against established domestic and traditional laws, and the American colonists broke established English laws because they didn't think the tax was fair. Just the same, in my perspective, a good man, (I won't use BIG) comes illegaly into this country with wife, they have a baby, and the baby is now a U.S. citizen. Don't you think that if this family is a good-hard working family, and not the 'loose' type you try to stereotype with the pregnancy comparison you gave, then isn't keeping a family together the RIGHT-Republican-Human thing to do? Or from a legal standpoint, isn't the protection and well-being of that child more important now because HE/SHE IS a United States Citizen? We shouldn't be robotic to 'LAWS'. I know it makes people feel powerful to do so, but looking at a case by case scenerio should be considered, afterall, I don't think none of us follow the law to its exact meanings.

You really are joking, right? We don't decide which laws we want to enforce and we sure don't enforce them on a case by case basis. Oh, I can't enforce this law because they have a baby? Try me. This isn't about "just" laws, it's about criminal aliens entering this country illegally, thus becoming CRIMINALS. Laws aren't made to be "just". They are made to separate the CRIMINALS from the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. I think that you are really getting in a little bit over your head on this thread. These people that respond to your chatter on this subject enforce these laws day in and day out and until you can make that claim lets leave the Law Enforcement to those of us who do do this on a daily basis. See, that's what makes being a United States citizen so great. You have your right to your opinion and I have the right to speak out against it.

[hitnrun]

I guess I am just a little confused. This isn't the will of the people...is it?:rolleyes:

[samuel08]

I agree Tater that police can't enforce laws in a case to case scenerio-That's the courts job. - That's why not everyone could be a police officer or in corrections, I'd be questioning too much and some officers blindly follow directives (my respects to those who don't) right or wrong, many of whom would be perfect candidates in a fascist, police-state-(good-old Germany). Many of them just followed or enforced the almighty LAW-In the case of illegal immigrants, there may be some I'd find personaly repugnant too-but a large majority of them are hard working people, family oriented, (uncared for by their own government and not draining this coutry's resources. Imigrants provide cheap labor for a free-market (capitalist) nation. I think and believe that it's much more criminal to seperate a family than a decent man or woman crossing the border illegaly to help fill a certain available market. THAT should be illegal-The abuse of authorites becasue of a law easily burned on paper-God Bless America-

[Tater]

I think and believe that it's much more criminal to seperate a family than a decent man or woman crossing the border illegaly to help fill a certain available market. THAT should be illegal-The abuse of authorites becasue of a law easily burned on paper-God Bless America-

Okay, lets look at this in a way that maybe YOU can understand. These people crossed into this country ILLEGALLY , thus making them CRIMINALS. It does not matter if they are single, married or if they have a whole house full of kids. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.. It really has nothing to do with what you think is right or wrong, because the Authorities whom you claim abuse the law, don't really care if you think it's right or wrong. You put God Bless America at the end of your paragraph, yet you refer to some of us as fascists, and authority abusers. If things are so bad here that you have to make these claims, there is a little place about 200 miles south of here that would probably welcome you with open arms, give you and your family free medical care, put you on their welfare program if you can't find a job and even change the language they speak just to suit you.

These people who you seem to be so passionate about taking my tax dollars is criminal in itself. This is one argument that you are not going to win. They have broken the law, and need to be dealt with accordingly. Just about every major city in the Country has had a rise in violent crime, Police Officers have been shot and killed, multiple DWI/DUI fatalities on the roadways caused by these poor misunderstood people whose government doesn't care about. Well, guess what. I really don't care about em either. Why not stop and think about the disservice that they cause for their countrymen who are here legally and going about it the legal way. I have no problems with these people that go about it the right way, but these (here's that word again)CRIMINALSwho are looking for amnesty for the mere fact that they are CRIMINALS, I have absolutely no use for. So if that makes me a Fascist or Abuser of Authority, then I can live with that. If you can't understand it after everything that everyone has said on the subject, then you never will understand it.

[samuel08]

Tate-Getting here legally from any south-american country is reserved for the well-off pretty much-You're talking about people with nothing, from the mountains a lot of times. I also thin your rhetoric enforced what I wrote that some officers would make good law enforcers in a fascist country-You've proven that-The welfare issue-it's an old arguement-American citizens benefit from this program more than anyone. I don't know if you know anything about being human and having dignity, but the majority of people hate getting hand-outs. It's degrading but necessary in tough times. Yes-I do feel for 'some' of those people-Also-about crime going up-Have you even read the latest studies? No, man, you can't justify law enforcement's growth anymore. And do you know there are other occupations much more dangerous than law-enforcement? I think it's still dangerous and policemen deserve good pay and respect for what they do, I am only giving my opinion in a certain area I don't agree with-And no, Tater-I like it here-I came here illegally in 1980-My parents worked out in the fields before becoming pastors of a Presbyterian church-Became citizens, (thank God Reagan saw the value of cheap labor despite his overextending powers into other counties). All in all, America doesn't live in a vaccum. It has interests business interests in many south-american countries-Most of the idiots in our government back south are in full complience with many of your own idiots here in North America-a marriage that influences this current issue. Lastly, for the sake of being technical, I guess you're right-they are criminals, but this could change and hopefully soon. Sam

[Norm357]

Tate-Getting here legally from any south-american country is reserved for the well-off pretty much-You're talking about people with nothing, from the mountains a lot of times. I also thin your rhetoric enforced what I wrote that some officers would make good law enforcers in a fascist country

So a Police Officer doing his job is a facist. Nice.:rolleyes:

The welfare issue-it's an old arguement-American citizens benefit from this program more than anyone. I don't know if you know anything about being human and having dignity, but the majority of people hate getting hand-outs. It's degrading but necessary in tough times.

Lets step away from welfare for a moment. What about the hospitals in Az and Tx that had to close because illegals with no insurance, and no desire to get insurance, used the ERs as a doctors office.

What about the illegals who are driving without insurance, a huge problem here in Atlanta.

What about illegals who are sending their kids to public schools on MY tax dollar.

All of this is a major drain on the public dollar. I really don't give a rats *** if you believe this or not, I see it every day.

Also-about crime going up-Have you even read the latest studies? No, man, you can't justify law enforcement's growth anymore.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Crime here is growing exponentially with the fast growing illegal population.

And do you know there are other occupations much more dangerous than law-enforcement?

And this has what to do with the topic at hand?

Lastly, for the sake of being technical, I guess you're right-they are criminals, but this could change and hopefully soon. Sam

If you really love this Country, you better hope not.

[johnnydoe143]

The main problem is mexico needs to be on its own. Mexico needs to boost up its economy so their citizens don't need to cross the border illegally. Or the best strategy If I were a politician is probably make a law that says IF YOU'RE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN YOUR PAY WOULD BE THE SAME AS YOUR MOTHER COUNTRY EVEN IF YOU WERE TO RESIDE IN AMERICA!

[deputywave]

Or the best strategy If I were a politician is probably make a law that says IF YOU'RE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN YOUR PAY WOULD BE THE SAME AS YOUR MOTHER COUNTRY EVEN IF YOU WERE TO RESIDE IN AMERICA!

What problem does that solve? You still have illegals draining this country's resources.




Remind me not to vote for you.:rolleyes: