Who's responsible to enforce immigration?

[troysig]

Also we now have a very strict safe streets act, it states that all persons MUST have a drivers license, insurance, and must not be suspended or revoked....in any of these cases we impound your car and you can’t get it back until you can show a current license and insurance. So in that case most illegals are unable to get their vehicles back.

Well Your department is about to be sued then, In Alabama you cant tow a car for someone with with no DL, no insurance and driving while suspended (unless it is DUI related).

[BlueKnight901]

Well Your department is about to be sued then, In Alabama you cant tow a car for someone with with no DL, no insurance and driving while suspended (unless it is DUI related).

???.....Have you not heard of all the controversy that has been started because of this....Many departments have now adopted this as a municipal ordinance and it is being considered on the state level now. MANY departments across north Alabama have now started doing this. It has only been in effect for about 2 months now but it has caused a BIG media mess because so many illegal immigrants are being effected, but hey I say it's a good idea....if you’re going to be here you damn well better have a DL and current papers.



So, yes you can (if your department passes it) impound a vehicle for no DL/insurance/suspended ect.... Heck our impound drivers LOVE this new ordinance, they are making a killing on all the impounds.

It's an extension of the safe streets act you have to get your department to pass it, and it does not extent outside your municipality (unless they pass it on the state level).


Wow….sorry for all the spelling errors in this…had to fix them…worked late and did not proof read lol.

[chewy]

ICE and our counterparts (DRO, IEA's, BP, etc.) are the only ones that can enforce the INA. ICE can provide training to local agencies and grant them Immigration authority to check citizenship and alienage and allow them to detain for violations of the INA. But the brunt of the enforcement still lies upon ICE and BP.

How come CBP is always the "etc"? No one respects us :( ... including our management :D

I think EVERYONE should be able to do INA enforcement... think of how much free time ICE and BP would have to do play video games! Oh, wait... I forgot the Agents USED to do all sorts of other enforcement like Cyber Porn, narcotics, auto theft smuggling, blah blah blah... Talking to our legacy Customs Agents, now with ICE, it seems all they do anymore is chase illegals. Still, it beats standing in the booth all day! :D

[Big Sexy]

Talking to our legacy Customs Agents, now with ICE, it seems all they do anymore is chase illegals.

BIG hates to say it, but they are full of crap.

There are essentially three groups that deal with illegals, as part of their duties. Of these, DART (Drugs Alien Response Team), is the only one that deals with illegals regularly, as in daily to weekly. In that group, there are two legacy customs agents, both of whom transfered into the Detroit SAC. Two more legacy SA's have been moved into DART, since DART is taking on more drug responsibilities.

The other two groups are, Worksite Enforcement, which doesn't go out without seeking assistance from DART and the Human Smuggling/Human Trafficking/General Smuggling group. Those that are trafficked or smuggled, tend to be aliens. But it isn't as if both of these groups deal with aliens on anything considered being a regular basis.

99.9% of the POE dope calls, 100% of the alien calls, 100% of the gang investigations and the bulk of any surveillance conducted, are done by DART. The duty will take the initial call and then promptly call DART.

If any SA's not assigned to DART are telling you the bulk of their day is spent chasing aliens, they're 100% exaggerating or downright lying.

[charlydevo]

I know that posting to old threads is usually frowned upon. However, I think that I should bud in and explain the immigration enforcement situation to those who want to know.

We have the Border Patrol to (among other things) apprehend illegal aliens who have crossed the border illegally. We have CBP Officers to (among other things) stop illegal aliens from getting into the U.S. at the ports of entry by attempting to appear legitimate.

We have ICE Special Agents to (among other things) investigate immigration-related crimes away from the border and prosecute violators through the U.S. Attorney's Office. We have ICE Deportation Officers and Immigration Enforcement Agents to effect the deportation of those ordered deported, apprehend alien fugitives, operate detention facilities, and ensure the effective operations of the immigration courts.

Did you see anything about people designated to apprehend illegal aliens away from the border? That's because there are no people designated to do so. How could that be? It's because our government doesn't want anybody to be responsible for apprehending illegal aliens away from the border. It's a political nightmare that nobody wants to address. When you ask who is responsible for coming to get the illegals that you encountered away from the border, the answer is nobody. Sometimes ICE OI will do it, sometimes ICE DRO will do it. That, of course, depends on availability and other operational requirements. But, the bottom line is that the government has no agency who's mission is to find and apprehend illegal aliens away from the border.

[Sierra]

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We have the Border Patrol to (among other things) apprehend illegal aliens who have crossed the border illegally. We have CBP Officers to (among other things) stop illegal aliens from getting into the U.S. at the ports of entry by attempting to appear legitimate.

We have ICE Special Agents to (among other things) investigate immigration-related crimes away from the border and prosecute violators through the U.S. Attorney's Office. We have ICE Deportation Officers and Immigration Enforcement Agents to effect the deportation of those ordered deported, apprehend alien fugitives, operate detention facilities, and ensure the effective operations of the immigration courts.

Did you see anything about people designated to apprehend illegal aliens away from the border? That's because there are no people designated to do so. How could that be? It's because our government doesn't want anybody to be responsible for apprehending illegal aliens away from the border. It's a political nightmare that nobody wants to address. When you ask who is responsible for coming to get the illegals that you encountered away from the border, the answer is nobody. Sometimes ICE OI will do it, sometimes ICE DRO will do it. That, of course, depends on availability and other operational requirements. But, the bottom line is that the government has no agency who's mission is to find and apprehend illegal aliens away from the border.[/QUOTE]


I appear to be missing something, apparently. I am an IEA in Phoenix. Among our responsibilities is catching those who made it past the Green Machine on the border. We (ICE IEAs in total) do:

Worksite enforcement (WSE) - Remember the raids on the chicken plants about a month ago? We were there in conjunction with SAs. We have another one coming this month.

Law Enforcement Agency Response (LEAR) - The program started in Phoenix and is being phased into other offices. We respond to every call we recieve from LEOs about aliens they have in custody. Granted, we may drop a detainer on the body and pick it up the next day or it may take us a bit to get out there (especially if it is well out of the metropolitan area), but we take everything we can establish alienage and deportability on. This includes rolling on drophouses we are told about by local agencies. Those are IEAs responding, not SAs.

Criminal Apprehension Program (CAP) - IEAs go to the jails and prisons to see if any of the prisoners belong to us. If they do, we drop a detainer and go get them, as well.

287g - Local agencies receive training under Section 287g of the INA to process illegal immigrants they come in contact with. Maricopa County has all of their incoming inmates questioned by 287g certified Detention Officers; 287g Deputies can do the same out in the field. Yavapai and Coconino counties have received the same training and are setting up their programs, as well.

Fugitive Operations (FugOps) - IEAs and DOs are out looking for people who failed to leave the country when required to do so. This is anyone from a visa overstay to the petitioner who lost his residency case to criminal knuckleheads.

These are just a few of the programs that ICE has to apprehend aliens in the US. We are in all 50 states, unlike the Border Patrol. So to say there is no agency and no agents tasked with the mission of removing aliens is incorrect, if not misleading.

[charlydevo]

Why don't you slow down and take another look. You've cited WSE and Fug Ops. Great. WSE is done under the auspices of criminal or civil sanctions against employers. That's why they are an investigative function. Fug Ops were already included in my description of ICE DRO.

If somebody calls up and says "Hey, there are a bunch of illegals in the house across the street", or "There are 50 illegals standing on the corner of Queens Blvd. and 157th, who's going to go take care of it? Are you going? I doubt it. Hell, I see thousands of illegals every day. We don't do anything about it.

I'll tell you what, I'll call both ICE OI and DRO tomorrow and lodge an anonymous complaint that there are 25 illegals living in my house. Then I'll let you know when somebody comes to check into it. Don't hold your breath for too long waiting, because nobody's coming. Why not? Because there are no people who's job it is to do so. Got it?

So, I stand firm on what I've already said. There are no people in place to deal with regular, no criminal record, not a part of an investigative action, not in jail, ordinary illegal aliens. I'm not misleading anybody. Rather, I'm debunking the misleading information that the public has been given. Our government doesn't want the problem addressed. Therefore, there is a convenient lapse in enforcement responsibilities related to immigration. Stop drinking the kool aid and accept the facts. Or, tell me when the last time was that you drove around whatever city you work in and sacked up all the illegals that you saw.