Mexico considers trying U.S. border agent for illegal's killing

[Deputy757]

For those that think deadly force is the perfect way to protect our border, I have a question:
For the lone family that crosses with a father, mother and four children...do you have a minimum age at which you split their skulls open or is any age appropriate? Or do you, say, kill the father and mother and hope the kids run back to Mexico? That is, if they are old enough to walk. And why stop there? Once they are here and we stop a car load of them on their way home from the chicken plant at 2:00 in the morning why not just go ahead and execute them? What would the difference be?

No, I don't advocate deadly force as a first response. If they try to get across and are caught, then arrest them, put them through an intensive interrogation where they are probably sure the outcome will be a one way ticket to Heaven, and then send them back. If they don't comply and try to flee into the US, then lock and load.

Illegal immigration is a huge problem that we could SURELY come up with an answer to without killing the poor bastard that is trying to get to the cabbage field. Maybe putting our resources into sealing the border so it cuts it down to the point where it isn't nearly the problem it is now.
Yes, there are certainly more solutions that what are being implemented right now. For instance, start slamming the companies that utilize this semi form of slave labor with heavy fines and incarceration for the companies top management. There are plenty of laws already on the books for this sort of thing...let's get some balls and start using them.

[FeudalBaron]

For instance, start slamming the companies that utilize this semi form of slave labor with heavy fines and incarceration for the companies top management.

Excellent point! It's like targeting drug-users, as well as the distributor. Remember the old T. Roosevelt quote, "No man is above the law and no man is below it: nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it." It doesn't matter what's right or wrong (that's where you use your voting power), especially as an LEO. It only matters if it's legal (a crime) or not. Is it illegal for a foreigner to cross the border into the United States without first processing through an official entry point? Obviously this is becoming a hot topic to border communities as well (i.e. Costa Mesa).

[chewy]

For those that think deadly force is the perfect way to protect our border, I have a question:
For the lone family that crosses with a father, mother and four children...do you have a minimum age at which you split their skulls open or is any age appropriate? Or do you, say, kill the father and mother and hope the kids run back to Mexico? That is, if they are old enough to walk. And why stop there? Once they are here and we stop a car load of them on their way home from the chicken plant at 2:00 in the morning why not just go ahead and execute them? What would the difference be?

Illegal immigration is a huge problem that we could SURELY come up with an answer to without killing the poor bastard that is trying to get to the cabbage field. Maybe putting our resources into sealing the border so it cuts it down to the point where it isn't nearly the problem it is now.

I don't care if it's a busload of nuns, if they are ILLEGALLY crossing the border to ILLEGALLY enter our country to live and work ILLEGALLY then they need to be stopped. I don't give a crap how you spin it or how much heart and tears the story has... It's still Illegal and it needs to STOP!

[chewy]

Besides, the threat of violence or not PC friendly treatment could be enough of a deterent so as to keep these family types from breaking the law.

[oscarmitre]

Yes, there are certainly more solutions that what are being implemented right now. For instance, start slamming the companies that utilize this semi form of slave labor with heavy fines and incarceration for the companies top management. There are plenty of laws already on the books for this sort of thing...let's get some balls and start using them.

Good thinking. Of course the corporations that use this cheap labour are going to fight like blazes to stop anyone allowing them to do so. They will use all their K Street lobbying power to head off any legislator that truly seeks to stop this. I'm also surprised that the AFL-CIO and affiliated locals haven't kicked up a stink (if they have then I missed it) at this. But then I suppose they haven't really dealt with globalisation so expecting them to take this on is probably too much.

[sbrad]

I don't care if it's a busload of nuns, if they are ILLEGALLY crossing the border to ILLEGALLY enter our country to live and work ILLEGALLY then they need to be stopped. I don't give a crap how you spin it or how much heart and tears the story has... It's still Illegal and it needs to STOP!

So I take it you are one that advocates using deadly force against anyone entering the country illegally?

And since you say it's "illegal and it needs to STOP!", do you feel the same about all illegal activity? Or do you think there are different levels of illegal activity that deserve different levels of punishment?

[w1zard]

Pretty interesting conversation here. What do you actually mean 'really', by SEALING the border. Are you talking about the 700 mile wall we are supposibly building (that kindof sealing) or, figurtively sealing the entire border with troops and personnel? Thanks.

[chewy]

So I take it you are one that advocates using deadly force against anyone entering the country illegally?

And since you say it's "illegal and it needs to STOP!", do you feel the same about all illegal activity? Or do you think there are different levels of illegal activity that deserve different levels of punishment?

No no, I firmly believe that all illegal activity should be delt with severely and swiftly. Not all warrants execution obviously but people that commit violent crimes in particular should be executed period. There has to be something for people to fear in order to keep them from acting. I'm not saying that just illegally trying to enter the US should get you shot but strong action needs to be taken to stop this.

[chewy]

Pretty interesting conversation here. What do you actually mean 'really', by SEALING the border. Are you talking about the 700 mile wall we are supposibly building (that kindof sealing) or, figurtively sealing the entire border with troops and personnel? Thanks.

I think we should seal the border and a wall would be nice but a 700mile wall will not cover all of the Northern border too so they need to add a few hundred miles to that figure.

[sparty]

I think we should seal the border and a wall would be nice but a 700mile wall will not cover all of the Northern border too so they need to add a few hundred miles to that figure.

But, Chewy, how would you get to work if they put a wall on the northern border?

[FSCF3801]

But, Chewy, how would you get to work if they put a wall on the northern border?

He is still salty he can't carry his weapon to Canada for that cushy job at Rail VACIS. :rolleyes: BTW Chewy have you used that new fangled crapper zapper that they gave you :D

[chewy]

But, Chewy, how would you get to work if they put a wall on the northern border?

That's the reason they transfered Air Marine Interdiction from ICE to CBP... so they could fly me to work!

[chewy]

He is still salty he can't carry his weapon to Canada for that cushy job at Rail VACIS. :rolleyes: BTW Chewy have you used that new fangled crapper zapper that they gave you :D

I will NEVER.... NEVER use that stupid wannabe toilet!! One of the day shift guys pee'd in it and it smells SOOOOOOOOoooooo bad when the urine is burned!!! It is utterly disgusting.

[Creeker]

I will NEVER.... NEVER use that stupid wannabe toilet!! One of the day shift guys pee'd in it and it smells SOOOOOOOOoooooo bad when the urine is burned!!! It is utterly disgusting.

WELL, then I'm glad he didn't poo in it, too, 'cause that would smell worse... and quite possibly be highly flammable :eek: