US lawmakers study fence at northern border

[cjcrew022000]

WASHINGTON (CP) - Canada has no interest in a new U.S. initiative to study building a security wall along the border, officials said Saturday.

And a cross-border business group said it makes no sense when what's urgently required are measures to speed the flow of trade.

The study "on the use of physical barriers" was slipped into an amendment to a bill on border security and illegal immigration passed Friday by the U.S. House of Representatives.

The amendment, sponsored by California Republican Duncan Hunter, also approved building security fences with lights and cameras along more than 1,000 kilometres of the U.S.-Mexico border in four states to keep out illegal aliens and drugs.

The move comes amid heightened bilateral tensions arising from Canada's election campaign. But U.S. sources said it was prompted by southern U.S. politicians anxious to assure constituents they're not penalizing one border over another.

Alex Swann, spokesman for Canada's Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan, said the U.S. administration has never discussed the notion with Canada during regular meetings on border security.

"This is not a priority for us," said Swann.

"There's all sorts of things we want to do. This just isn't one of them," Swann added.

He insisted such a barrier would be impractical.

"Just look at the Great Lakes."

Scotty Greenwood, executive director of the Canadian-American Business Council, said the study is a waste.

"It's an indication of a lack of understanding about what the true challenges are on the northern border," she said.

"Just the fact that it would quietly pass is scary. They'll study it and it isn't going to be controversial."

"That's the tragedy. They shouldn't be spending limited resources doing that."

Legislators should be focused instead on improving key border crossings like Windsor-Detroit, the world's busiest, and expanding programs that expedite the flow of people and goods like NEXUS and FAST, Greenwood said.

"Security, sure. But it should be smart security."

"One size does not fit all."

The entire border security bill, which includes other measures to tighten the southern border and stop illegal aliens from finding jobs, passed by a vote of 239-182.

Conservatives have long wanted to build a barrier along the Mexican border. Although some Democrats compared it with the Berlin Wall in Germany, 50 party members supported the amendment to erect fences and direct the Department of Homeland Security to study doing the same on the Canadian border.

"You typically have these diplomatic-type protests that speak stupidly of the Great Wall in China or some other nutty comparison," Hunter told the National Conservative Weekly, noting there's already a 23-kilometre stretch of fence in San Diego.

"We're simply talking of having a real border and asking people when they want to come to the United States that they come in the front door."

Canada has long fought the perception it's a haven for terrorists, combatting the mistaken belief some of those involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks entered the United States from the north.

There have also been complaints from some U.S. legislators that Canadian immigration policies are too lax, although there are an estimated 50,000 to 120,000 people in Canada without legal status, compared with more than eight million in the United States.

In 2004, the U.S. Border Patrol made over one million apprehensions on the southwestern border, compared with 10,000 at the Canadian line.

After the attacks, both countries took steps to increase security along what's been known as the longest undefended border in the world. About 300,000 people and $1.2 billion US in goods and services cross daily.

The so-called smart border accord sought to strike a balance between security and trade by creating joint policing and sharing more information.

In its last budget, Canada increased funding for its border security agency by $430 million over five years.

U.S. officials are now considering a plan that would a require passports or other secure document of anyone crossing the border. Canada and tourism and business groups in both countries oppose the passport plan, saying it's too expensive and would seriously hinder commerce and casual visits.

The passport issue, container security and the Windsor crossing are among Canada's priorities, said Swann.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/wo...d2&k=30503&p=2

[Prometheus]

Of COURSE Canada has no interest in it! When was the last time you heard Al-queda make threats against Canada?

[BlueGoose]

The big cities in Canada (Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa, Edmonton) are considered targets of terrorism.

[Frogdiver]

It really irritates me that they put so much emphasis on increasing traffic flow. I really don't care how long it takes to cross. Right after 9/11 everyone was so happy we checked every trunk and the lines were long. Now they are over it and pissed off when they get sent to secondary for the first time in more than a year. When another attack happens they'll wonder why we didn't stop it. I would love to tell them "Because it would have slowed the flow of traffic in and out of your wonderful, safe country" Shove your improved traffic flow!
I am sorry if I rambled, it's just a thorn in my side everyday at work.
Rant over, now back to your regularly scheduled programming.;)

[Bryan]

It makes sense too me. If the USA wants to build a fence along the 49th.. go ahead. When I plan on coming across the border I will come through customs, as I have nothing to hide. And I don't really give a rats arse if it takes me 45 mins or 8 hours to cross the border, I am entering another country and I will abide by their laws to enter it.


We all know who the people are that jump the border.It just makes sense to try to prevent illegal crossings.

But what do I know..... They rarely try it in the winter!!, The last guy, ran the border....ran to the detachment half frozen....the dummy lost all his toes!!

I think the criminals of mid-east decent prefer to jump the border during our summer months!! a wee bit little more comfortible for them..

So lets all meet at the border during the summer months and have a BBQ,beers and catch bad guys jumping the border:D

[Bryan]

It really irritates me that they put so much emphasis on increasing traffic flow. I really don't care how long it takes to cross. Right after 9/11 everyone was so happy we checked every trunk and the lines were long. Now they are over it and pissed off when they get sent to secondary for the first time in more than a year. When another attack happens they'll wonder why we didn't stop it. I would love to tell them "Because it would have slowed the flow of traffic in and out of your wonderful, safe country" Shove your improved traffic flow!
I am sorry if I rambled, it's just a thorn in my side everyday at work.
Rant over, now back to your regularly scheduled programming.;)

I don't mind if you make the people of Ontario cranky!!..its fun watch from the western side of the country

[canuckofapeach]

I don't mind if you make the people of Ontario cranky!!..its fun watch from the western side of the country

Oh no, more gratuitous whining from the "West"; no wonder the Ontario Separatist Party is gaining ground :D

[cjcrew022000]

I don't mind if you make the people of Ontario cranky!!..its fun watch from the western side of the country

The people in Ontario are easy to make cranky, just mention hand guns.

[Redman]

And I don't really give a rats arse if it takes me 45 mins or 8 hours to cross the border, I am entering another country and I will abide by their laws to enter it.

It's too bad EVERYONE can't have this attitude about these things. Everything sure would be a lot smoother. Well said.

[Lawson]

IMO this fence would be a lot more effective about a thousand miles or so, south.

[Jay7376]

Personally, living in a state surrounded by the Great Lakes, I must always be cautious of the Canadian Navy invading my backyard. :eek:

I say build a fence in the middle of the lakes!

[jonesg11]

Oh no, more gratuitous whining from the "West"; no wonder the Ontario Separatist Party is gaining ground :D

Really?!?! Well then maybe we can merge, you know the western seperatists and eastern ones that way we'll be more powerful. Hey.... wait a minute that would defeat the purpose! doouh! :D

[chewy]

Of COURSE Canada has no interest in it! When was the last time you heard Al-queda make threats against Canada?

Al-Queda, as well as most other terrorist organizations already have groups IN Canada so they have nothing to fear...

I'm all for a fence...in fact I'll even pitch in some money to help!

[chewy]

Personally, living in a state surrounded by the Great Lakes, I must always be cautious of the Canadian Navy invading my backyard. :eek:

I say build a fence in the middle of the lakes!

They'll put a floating fence in the ponds!! :p

[K-9MALY]

I won't do any less than my part since we are all in this together. I will bring out the big guns that I normally hold in reserve and donate their talents and services to the cause. My two super K-9's will patrol the fence night and day ready to dispose of any threat! Hand Salute when clicking on the picture please:D

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