Free Money!...I mean background questions.

[rcprochamp13]

Hi all, I will be 21 in September and am currently applying for RSD for the position of
Dep. Sheriff Trainee and Pre-Service Corrections. I have my physical agility this week then after I receive my background packet if I pass. I do have some questions about my background.

-My first time applying for Corrections was around Sept. of 2008. I passed everything but the poly on the question that included sex related crimes. I did not include information on a subject that I was still ashamed of but now I can talk about. Which is, when I was about 10-11 my one year older male cousin talked me into giving him oral sex and letting him do the same to me. This, I believe contributed to me repeating these actions for about a year after.

-In that year after I tried to talk my younger female cousin into showing me her genitals. A 1-2 younger male who was the child of a family friend to do the same. And lastly a 1-2 year younger female foster child we had living with us, I asked for her to show me her genitals. When she was thinking it over I flashed her mine. She then agreed to let me masturbate to her with her pants off. The next day she told my mother about it and she discussed the seriousness of what I was doing.

-I do not what so ever condone any of these actions and would never, ever commit any type of sex crime and truly regret making these decisions. Not trying to sugar cote a turd, but after listening to a radio show called "Loveline," hosted by Dr. Drew I have learned a lot about psychological effects of these situations and I think the initial actions by my older cousin are what provoked me to do the same.

-When I was about 12 I had an argument with one of my cousins and lost my temper. I stabbed her in the leg with a colored pencil that penetrated about half a centimeter. I don't know why I did, but it seemed subconscious at the time. When I realized I had stabbed her I didn't know how I did it. (This I didn't include in my original BI packet, but only because I remembered about it recently)

New Topics:
-In December of 2009 I tried Salvia. I thought it was equivalent to tobacco and alcohol because it was legal to buy. My friend and I who was under 18 at the time bought some at a liquor store and smoked it. I personally didn't inhale more than a half breath and never felt any effects. My friend then invited one of his friends over to try it also. After they used the Salvia they brought out Marijuana, I left the area a few minutes later because I didn't want to be around it.

-I have drank alcohol about 5 times being underage throughout last year. Never disrupted anyone or had any complaints. I also bought it two of the times from liquor stores for someone who was also 21. At the end of the year I have chosen to no longer drink, and be the designated driver when ever there is drinking going on.

-I have been at my current job for almost 2 years now. I find myself as a great employee and have never had a bad write up, and only one complaint from a guy who I think was intoxicated.
How ever I have two managers. One is my main manager, who would say nothing but great things about me, and the other is my managers boss. She would most likely talk down on me greatly due to one incident. About a month ago she required myself and the other employees in my position to drive to a location for training. When we arrived at the training we called the payroll manager and clocked in. After the training we continued to do our regular job. After the day my managers boss told me we should not have clocked in and she removed our pay for training. I was pretty pissed but did not say anything. The next day I confronted her with a DOL fact sheet and showed her that she must pay us. We wound up getting pay, but now she is immature towards me and the other employees, and always finds something to complain about everything we do even when it is done correctly. I feel that she would defiantly not talk highly of me if my investigator was to talk to her.

-Also I know the background includes racism/ sexism portions on the PSH. I am not at all racist or sexists but my friends and I of all races and both male and female send text messages (chain messages and pictures) and tell jokes that are racist and sexist. Which I think pretty much all LEOs do, but it still looks bad on paper

-Joined the AF Reserve in July of 2010, was in the DEP program from then until January 2011. I asked to be discharged a few weeks before my ship date for respect of my parents not wanting me to leave (I am an only child). I think that this looks pretty bad on paper also.
Now for the good things:
-Was a police explore from the age of 14 to 17. I have a written letter from who is now the current Sheriff (Stanley Sniff). All my advisors would say that I was a great contribution to the post when I was an active member.

-Was in AFJROTC freshman to senior year in HS. My senior year I was second in charge over 100+ cadets. Also I was the commander of the armed drill team. This shows great leadership skills and that I can handle stress. My JROTC instructors all speak very highly of me.

-Spent almost a year in the departments wellness program.

-Have worked two jobs since graduating HS. I worked my first job for about 8 months until I started the Basic Corrections Academy when I quit that job. My second job I started about 3 months before starting the academy to help pay for myself to go through, took leave while in the academy, and have been working there since. The only problem was what I mentioned above.

-Graduated from the Basic Corrections Academy, all my Tact Staff back me in getting hired and say that I was a great recruit.

-Taken several ADJ classes at the local community college. I want to further my education after being hired so I can easily pay for it on my own.

-Very simple well minded guy who fits the description of a deputy in my opinion. I don't like being out in the party scene, do not associate with people who do illegal things, stay in shape, very humble, and strong minded.


So there's the story of my life basically, probably way to long for most forum members to read but there it is. There are obviously other things that have happened not relating to this such as trespassing to ride bikes on private property, toilet papering houses, ect. when I was in high school. Those are all things that I explained in my first app.

I would like to know basically how good of/ terrible of a candidate I am for the position. I feel I am qualified but the main thing is when I was 10-12, and because I left it out of my first application. I would like to know some opinions from the seasoned members on this page. And thanks in advanced for any replies and for reading my ridiculously long post.

Thank you.

[cntryboy0531]

The sexual portion deeply conserns me. You need therapy. You also need to be honest with the background investigator about those incidents. Irregardless of the fact of what happened that you believe caused you to do those things, you did them, and they are completely wrong. Frankly, I wouldn't want you anymore near my children in a position of trust and authority. Even with the incidents happening as a child.

The fact that a department DQ'd you already for not being truthful on the polygraph will not go well either, and will probably prevent you from being hired altogether.

You need to look at other career options and therapy.

[rcprochamp13]

Thank you for the reply, and thank you for being honest. There is no reason not to be 100% honest with my investigator, the worst they can do is fail me. I sent in a PHS with all this info after I graduated the academy, I received a non-select oppose to a DQ.

It sounds terrible, and it is. I know it. There is no way what so ever I would even think about doing anything in that manor ever, ever. I know I'm some random guy on the internet but all the poly, and psych tests in the world can assure that.

Therapy I feel is not needed but do you think that it would help my chances of getting hired or looked at by the dept.? I carry a completely normal life, very sociable, very reliable and honest.

As for looking at other career options, I can pretty much say that I will die with an L.E. app in my hand if I have to. I did have a job in the AF Reserves as Security Forces(MP) but asked for a discharge for family reasons, and am welcomed back for a position if I wanted it.

Thank you again for your reply.

[rcprochamp13]

Also do you think the other negatives are concerning? And how about the positives? Thank you.

[cntryboy0531]

Also do you think the other negatives are concerning? And how about the positives? Thank you.

Positives will not outweigh the negatives in my opinion. I feel that you would be too much of a liablity for a department to hire. The other negatives are just further nails in the coffin, and will hinder you even more so.

The therapy comment was a personal one. While it would not help you in anyway get a job, I feel that if you felt shame over the incidents and it "drove you" to commit other things as a child, it's probably something you need to speak with a therapist about. Especially if you felt so much shame that you felt the need to not disclose it to the investigator, rather recently. To top it all of you are listening to a radio talk show therapist to sort through feelings on the matter. It may benefit you personally to go speak to a therapist about it all.

Irregardless of what the final disposition was with not being hired, other departments will contact the agency that did not hire you, and they will ask why.

My opinion is that you should look for other career options.

[pac201]

Your original post screams liability.

You do have quite a bit of minimizing also.

In answer to your question, no my department would not hire you.

[rcprochamp13]

Thank you for the replies.

I'd like to comment on "To top it all of you are listening to a radio talk show therapist to sort through feelings on the matter." I do not listen to the radio show for that reason. I listen to the show because there are guest hosts from bands and comedians that I like. The show just sometimes covers psychology with childhood trauma. I am not seeking therapy from the show, I do not dwell on what happened. I regret it deeply when the topic comes up such as this situation, but it does not affect my morals and daily life.

What happened, happened. I'm not arguing the point but maybe a position in corrections, county or state would have a better chance?

If I have to I will go the rout of going active in the AF as SF/MP and serve four years to show even more that I am a stable person.

Also, pac201. Please explain minimizing.

Thank you for your time.

[pac201]

Hi all, I will be 21 in September and am currently applying for RSD for the position of
Dep. Sheriff Trainee and Pre-Service Corrections. I have my physical agility this week then after I receive my background packet if I pass. I do have some questions about my background.

-My first time applying for Corrections was around Sept. of 2008. I passed everything but the poly on the question that included sex related crimes. I did not include information on a subject that I was still ashamed of but now I can talk about. Which is, when I was about 10-11 my one year older male cousin talked me into giving him oral sex and letting him do the same to me. This, I believe contributed to me repeating these actions for about a year after.

-In that year after I tried to talk my younger female cousin into showing me her genitals. A 1-2 younger male who was the child of a family friend to do the same. And lastly a 1-2 year younger female foster child we had living with us, I asked for her to show me her genitals. When she was thinking it over I flashed her mine. She then agreed to let me masturbate to her with her pants off. The next day she told my mother about it and she discussed the seriousness of what I was doing.

-I do not what so ever condone any of these actions and would never, ever commit any type of sex crime and truly regret making these decisions. Not trying to sugar cote a turd, but after listening to a radio show called "Loveline," hosted by Dr. Drew I have learned a lot about psychological effects of these situations and I think the initial actions by my older cousin are what provoked me to do the same.-When I was about 12 I had an argument with one of my cousins and lost my temper. I stabbed her in the leg with a colored pencil that penetrated about half a centimeter. I don't know why I did, but it seemed subconscious at the time. When I realized I had stabbed her I didn't know how I did it. (This I didn't include in my original BI packet, but only because I remembered about it recently)

New Topics:
-In December of 2009 I tried Salvia. I thought it was equivalent to tobacco and alcohol because it was legal to buy. My friend and I who was under 18 at the time bought some at a liquor store and smoked it. I personally didn't inhale more than a half breath and never felt any effects. My friend then invited one of his friends over to try it also. After they used the Salvia they brought out Marijuana, I left the area a few minutes later because I didn't want to be around it. -I have drank alcohol about 5 times being underage throughout last year. Never disrupted anyone or had any complaints. I also bought it two of the times from liquor stores for someone who was also 21. At the end of the year I have chosen to no longer drink, and be the designated driver when ever there is drinking going on.

-I have been at my current job for almost 2 years now. I find myself as a great employee and have never had a bad write up, and only one complaint from a guy who I think was intoxicated.
How ever I have two managers. One is my main manager, who would say nothing but great things about me, and the other is my managers boss. She would most likely talk down on me greatly due to one incident. About a month ago she required myself and the other employees in my position to drive to a location for training. When we arrived at the training we called the payroll manager and clocked in. After the training we continued to do our regular job. After the day my managers boss told me we should not have clocked in and she removed our pay for training. I was pretty pissed but did not say anything. The next day I confronted her with a DOL fact sheet and showed her that she must pay us. We wound up getting pay, but now she is immature towards me and the other employees, and always finds something to complain about everything we do even when it is done correctly. I feel that she would defiantly not talk highly of me if my investigator was to talk to her.

-Also I know the background includes racism/ sexism portions on the PSH. I am not at all racist or sexists but my friends and I of all races and both male and female send text messages (chain messages and pictures) and tell jokes that are racist and sexist. Which I think pretty much all LEOs do, I couldn't let this go...all leo's don't act that way, as a matter of fact, all leo's I know are professionals....but it still looks bad on paper

-Joined the AF Reserve in July of 2010, was in the DEP program from then until January 2011. I asked to be discharged a few weeks before my ship date for respect of my parents not wanting me to leave (I am an only child). I think that this looks pretty bad on paper also.
Now for the good things:
-Was a police explore from the age of 14 to 17. I have a written letter from who is now the current Sheriff (Stanley Sniff). All my advisors would say that I was a great contribution to the post when I was an active member.

-Was in AFJROTC freshman to senior year in HS. My senior year I was second in charge over 100+ cadets. Also I was the commander of the armed drill team. This shows great leadership skills and that I can handle stress. My JROTC instructors all speak very highly of me.

-Spent almost a year in the departments wellness program.

-Have worked two jobs since graduating HS. I worked my first job for about 8 months until I started the Basic Corrections Academy when I quit that job. My second job I started about 3 months before starting the academy to help pay for myself to go through, took leave while in the academy, and have been working there since. The only problem was what I mentioned above.

-Graduated from the Basic Corrections Academy, all my Tact Staff back me in getting hired and say that I was a great recruit.

-Taken several ADJ classes at the local community college. I want to further my education after being hired so I can easily pay for it on my own.

-Very simple well minded guy who fits the description of a deputy in my opinion. I don't like being out in the party scene, do not associate with people who do illegal things, stay in shape, very humble, and strong minded.


So there's the story of my life basically, probably way to long for most forum members to read but there it is. There are obviously other things that have happened not relating to this such as trespassing to ride bikes on private property, toilet papering houses, ect. when I was in high school. Those are all things that I explained in my first app.

I would like to know basically how good of/ terrible of a candidate I am for the position. I feel I am qualified but the main thing is when I was 10-12, and because I left it out of my first application. I would like to know some opinions from the seasoned members on this page. And thanks in advanced for any replies and for reading my ridiculously long post.

Thank you.

You asked.
Some minimizing highlighted.

[icu650]

You need to forget getting a job in law enforcement or any para-military type organization. You need to seek out a therapist who can sit and listen to your story. This therapist will help you high-light the positive features of your live and not dwell on the negatives. Although you need to learn from your mistakes you can not let them ruin your life. I believe a good therapist can lead you into making a better choice of a career. What ever career you finally decide on just attempt to be the best at it. I believe by looking at your post you have way to much on your mind. You need someone to help bury some of it.