Tough night at the Polygraph I think

[GSD]

A little back ground on me... in my mid 30's have a father and uncle who retired lieutenant in the next town over. back in the summer I took a small town test next to me which would be considered a primo job by everyone I will preface this by saying I'm a horrific long test taker...

So 3 weeks after I take the test I get a letter that says you didnt make the cut blah blah.. I expected this so I wasn't terribly disappointed since I took 2 other civil tests in my life and had the same results never to be called again and well a bizillion people took the test and the size of the town dosent dictate a lot of positions... So I took this test mostly to appease my father because of my lineage and the financial benefits as well as I'm a firm believer that its in your blood whether you think or like it or not and I do like to help people.

Well much to my surprise last week I get a call from Sgt so and so asking if I was still interested??? well man was I floored since I dismissed the thought 3 mos ago.. So within a day Im doing my oral interview, a few days later im filling out a mountain of background paperwork and took my polygraph 2 nights ago..

My current situation is this, I was in automobile sales for 10 years and my last Job in 08 I was running it until placed close down do to the economy, I was making huge bucks of course and when I got layed off for a year, my financial world caved in big time. Almost lost my house until it got remodified and made arrangements on my car.. Had a total of $5000 by 2 agencies in collection and cable company too. My taxes got screwy last year and I owe maybe another $2000 total on that. I was asked if I had made arrangemets? I said nope because its a struggle to feed my wife and 2 stepchildren as it is and because I was making 80,000 + down to $12 an hour driving 45min each way to support everything as well as a per diem job in a kitchen and have lived with 0 health benefits and my wife and I have had to see roughly $30,000 of savings flow like sand through our hands..

I like millions of others have endured tremendous amounts of adversity and sleepless nights the past couple of years and wondering why every door is locked, bolted and barb wired in this market??? So with this phone call you can imagine it felt unreal, but of course with that comes the stress of blowing it!!! This would be tremendous for my family who matters the most in all of this and knowing a secure future could be around the corner for them has given me deeper breaths and a bit of weight on my chest with anxiety..

I was honest and didnt lie on the questions and recalled what I could and said I wasnt sure about other things, which were true too.. But when hooked up I was really getting revved up since MR Jedi was pulling the whole tell the truth Its for your own benefit stuff with the drama, which I know the enormity of the situation.. I just hope I didnt fail because of nerves.

I also did visit a massage parlor 3 times when intoxicated(use your imagination) about 5 years ago when single and have tried weed 5x literally a drag or 2 last time unfortunately was 6-7 months ago.. I did use pain pills recreationaly 3 times in my life last time was 2+years ago.. I have no police record a few speeding tickets stole a sandwich or 2 from work and a few pens remembered a guy steal a big bag of fries 17 years ago and have a hand full of speeding tickets paid in my life

When 17 I was in a car that drove through a golf course and damaged it as well as guys who broke into a venders truck and stole a bag of chips, but stopped hanging around them when they stole a stereo from a car..

Also because of the economy and nomadic environment of the car business I have had 14(2 places I worked 3X) jobs but never had behavior problems or was dishonest or got into any trouble.. I also tried like heck to trace my jobs but have forgot some exact times but got the years I think.. Explained it to the SGT and he said he would ask questions when he needed too..

Back in 2005 -2006 I went out 3x a week with friends(No drugs or trouble) but drank and was asked how many times I ever dove with ANY of my senses impaired I couldnt remember but estimated maybe 25X in my life, but its been over a year since the last and for over a year I drink less than 1 drink a week on average... I dont smoke and tried a pouch of chewing tobacco and cant remember trieng cigarette

I always felt I was a good man and worked hard to always better myself, but after that self reflection for the polygraph I left there feeling less than human, curious to see how it all works out..

My references are good but I dont really associate with my neighbors and my family and I are polite but dont really have much in common with them, we dont party and are pretty quiet.. My kids are good do good in school and play with the neighbor hood kids so we cant be that bad of people...

Sorry about the short story but felt good to vent in a sense. How long does this part of the process take? its a holiday weekend so I factored that in?

Thanks

[Outshined]

1. I also did visit a massage parlor 3 times when intoxicated.

2. Back in 2005 -2006 I went out 3x a week with friends(No drugs or trouble) but drank and was asked how many times I ever dove with ANY of my senses impaired I couldnt remember but estimated maybe 25X in my life.

3. How long does this part of the process take? its a holiday weekend so I factored that in?

Thanks

1. Intoxicated is how you should visit a massage parlor.

2. Drinking and diving don't mix.

3. It all depends on the department and the person doing the background.

[GSD]

1. Intoxicated is how you should visit a massage parlor.

2. Drinking and diving don't mix.

3. It all depends on the department and the person doing the background.

Yea I know really stupid.. I didnt want to mince words and say I was barely buzzed or had a smile on my face but I told the truth he said impaired not innahaleted or smashing drunk so I played it straight..

[Samuel]

In the meantime, work on your writing...

[GSD]

Yes, that would help tremendously. Funny as it sounds, I never had an obsession with being a police officer or some sparky wannabee. I'm not one of those guys that have spent my life combing the message boards until now. Admittedly I feel a bit unprepared for this portion of the process. Depending on how believe, I could be blessed, lucky, way over my head or right where I'm supposed to be in my life. Sure I can get all philosophical and say all the crap that has happened and all the adversity has brought me to this point in my life and this is some prize.

I guess I'll find out soon enough.

[mcsap]

A little back ground on me... in my mid 30's have a father and uncle who retired lieutenant in the next town over. back in the summer I took a small town test next to me which would be considered a primo job by everyone I will preface this by saying I'm a horrific long test taker...

So 3 weeks after I take the test I get a letter that says you didnt make the cut blah blah.. I expected this so I wasn't terribly disappointed since I took 2 other civil tests in my life and had the same results never to be called again and well a bizillion people took the test and the size of the town dosent dictate a lot of positions... So I took this test mostly to appease my father because of my lineage and the financial benefits as well as I'm a firm believer that its in your blood whether you think or like it or not and I do like to help people.

Well much to my surprise last week I get a call from Sgt so and so asking if I was still interested??? well man was I floored since I dismissed the thought 3 mos ago.. So within a day Im doing my oral interview, a few days later im filling out a mountain of background paperwork and took my polygraph 2 nights ago..

My current situation is this, I was in automobile sales for 10 years and my last Job in 08 I was running it until placed close down do to the economy, I was making huge bucks of course and when I got layed off for a year, my financial world caved in big time. Almost lost my house until it got remodified and made arrangements on my car.. Had a total of $5000 by 2 agencies in collection and cable company too. My taxes got screwy last year and I owe maybe another $2000 total on that. I was asked if I had made arrangemets? I said nope because its a struggle to feed my wife and 2 stepchildren as it is and because I was making 80,000 + down to $12 an hour driving 45min each way to support everything as well as a per diem job in a kitchen and have lived with 0 health benefits and my wife and I have had to see roughly $30,000 of savings flow like sand through our hands..

I like millions of others have endured tremendous amounts of adversity and sleepless nights the past couple of years and wondering why every door is locked, bolted and barb wired in this market??? So with this phone call you can imagine it felt unreal, but of course with that comes the stress of blowing it!!! This would be tremendous for my family who matters the most in all of this and knowing a secure future could be around the corner for them has given me deeper breaths and a bit of weight on my chest with anxiety..

I was honest and didnt lie on the questions and recalled what I could and said I wasnt sure about other things, which were true too.. But when hooked up I was really getting revved up since MR Jedi was pulling the whole tell the truth Its for your own benefit stuff with the drama, which I know the enormity of the situation.. I just hope I didnt fail because of nerves. A poly examiner sees someone being nervous as a NORMAL reaction. Think of it as white noise , EVERYBODY is nervous at a poly so don't sweat that.

I also did visit a massage parlor 3 times when intoxicated(use your imagination) about 5 years ago when single and have tried weed 5x literally a drag or 2 last time unfortunately was 6-7 months ago NOT GOOD .. I did use pain pills recreationaly 3 times in my life last time was 2+years agoNOT GOOD.. I have no police record a few speeding tickets stole a sandwich or 2 from work and a few pens remembered a guy steal a big bag of fries 17 years ago and have a hand full of speeding tickets paid in my life

When 17 I was in a car that drove through a golf course and damaged it as well as guys who broke into a venders truck and stole a bag of chips, but stopped hanging around them when they stole a stereo from a car..

Also because of the economy and nomadic environment of the car business I have had 14(2 places I worked 3X) jobs but never had behavior problems or was dishonest or got into any trouble.. I also tried like heck to trace my jobs but have forgot some exact times but got the years I think.. Explained it to the SGT and he said he would ask questions when he needed too..

Back in 2005 -2006 I went out 3x a week with friends(No drugs or trouble) but drank and was asked how many times I ever dove with ANY of my senses impaired I couldnt remember but estimated maybe 25X in my life, but its been over a year since the lastMARGINAL and for over a year I drink less than 1 drink a week on average... I dont smoke and tried a pouch of chewing tobacco and cant remember trieng cigarette

I always felt I was a good man and worked hard to always better myself, but after that self reflection for the polygraph I left there feeling less than human, curious to see how it all works out..

My references are good but I dont really associate with my neighbors and my family and I are polite but dont really have much in common with them, we dont party and are pretty quiet.. My kids are good do good in school and play with the neighbor hood kids so we cant be that bad of people...

Sorry about the short story but felt good to vent in a sense. How long does this part of the process take? its a holiday weekend so I factored that in?

Thanks

The recent adult drug use concerns me. You are married with kids in your mid 30's and still did this kind of stuff ? It may or may not be not be a DQ ( but it certainly can be) but it could make a big difference between you and another applicant.

[GoDirectly2Jail]

I also did visit a massage parlor 3 times when intoxicated(use your imagination) about 5 years ago when single and have tried weed 5x literally a drag or 2 last time unfortunately was 6-7 months ago.. I did use pain pills recreationaly 3 times in my life last time was 2+years ago.

Despite the low maximum (number of times used), your marijuana usage would be too recent to be considered at my department. Some like up to 5 years no use before they will consider you.

You don't state how you obtained the "pain pills", that may or may not factor in to a hiring decision.

The big deal for me is the 'massage parlor'. If we are reading between the lines here and you paid for sex three times (or got a 'happy ending') or whatever - that would be a dealbreaker. We would call it an undetected crime of moral turpitude and would be an auto-dq.

[GSD]

Despite the low maximum (number of times used), your marijuana usage would be too recent to be considered at my department. Some like up to 5 years no use before they will consider you.

You don't state how you obtained the "pain pills", that may or may not factor in to a hiring decision.

The big deal for me is the 'massage parlor'. If we are reading between the lines here and you paid for sex three times (or got a 'happy ending') or whatever - that would be a dealbreaker. We would call it an undetected crime of moral turpitude and would be an auto-dq.

Yep, I completely understand. Those were all poor choices and come with consequences even if I never got officially busted so to say. I guess this could be the busting too if the job dosen't come to fruition becuase of my past conduct.

My only real comfort and what gets me by I guess, I feel like I'm playing with house money because of the way this has gone down.

As far as the Pain Pill and Dope use it was completely isolated and I have never bought drugs in my life.

[mobrien316]

What does this have to do with the polygraph? If you told the truth to your background investigator there should have been no surprises when you went to the polygraph.

If none of that stuff was mentioned to your background investigator and it all came out at the polygraph, expect a rapid disqualification.

[retdetsgt]

If the massage parlor was a known front for prostitution, you could kiss the job good bye in Oregon. Not that we''re prudes when it comes to sex as long as it's legal, but engaging in the crime of prostitution is frowned upon.

[GSD]

What does this have to do with the polygraph? If you told the truth to your background investigator there should have been no surprises when you went to the polygraph.

If none of that stuff was mentioned to your background investigator and it all came out at the polygraph, expect a rapid disqualification.

Some stuff that was covered on the polygraph interview was mirrored on my background paperwork while other things were new questions asked.

[GSD]

If the massage parlor was a known front for prostitution, you could kiss the job good bye in Oregon. Not that we''re prudes when it comes to sex as long as it's legal, but engaging in the crime of prostitution is frowned upon.

No doubt it was a bad choice years ago.. Like I stated earlier, consequences are consequences. You think you might get away with something at the time but never know when it might bite you in the butt. I also can't blame anyone else for that but me since I DID IT intoxicated or not.

So I wait and see

[retdetsgt]

No doubt it was a bad choice years ago.. Like I stated earlier, consequences are consequences. You think you might get away with something at the time but never know when it might bite you in the butt. I also can't blame anyone else for that but me since I DID IT intoxicated or not.

That's one of many reasons I quit drinking. I got too many "good ideas" after a few drinks.

[MikeG]

Weren't the drug use and other stuff asked on the application? In AZ, there has to be a minimum of 3 years between the last "experimentation" with marijuana and that's set by the standardization board. And if those 5x of use were after you were 21, it's permanent DQ.

[GSD]

Yes, they said illegal drug use and I fully disclosed the dope use and last I used.. The pain pills were prescribed for kidney stones and I took "A" pain pill 3 separate occasions from a friend who had a prescription. Again stupid regardless. I imagine that Even though they knew of that they must still have to proceed up until a certain point even though the last dope use was recent as of 7 Mos ago. Maybe an expert can verify unless it's a departmental discretion thing?