Failed Psych evaluation question

[Joey Ice]

so here is my situation, i got a letter in the mail today stating that i was disqualified due to failing my oral psych evaluation. Im not sure, but im assuming its due to me being honest about "social drinking" which i was honest about, she asked if i drank when i go out with friends and i said yes, she asked if i ever drank to the point i threw up, i said yes, she replied with how many times, i said maybe 3 or 4x in my life. im 25 years old btw. but like, does that make me an alcoholic? im the furthest thing from that. i never drink when im just home, i met my friends at clubs or bars sometimes on the weekends and i have a few beers, and i drank too much on 3 or 4 occasions. but i dont need or ever crave for alcohol, so in a way i sort of regret being "honest" about that.

but my main question is, i also took and passed the corrections and court officer exam, and on the letter i got from the NYPD is says that the DQ doesn't mean i can't apply and take other civil service exams. so my question is when i start my process for my correction officer and also court officer will i get a fresh start? or will they hold that against me still? and i also took some police exams in new jersey, will they also find out about it? i would really appreciate some insight, i went to john jay for 4 years to be a cop, its what i've always wanted, and i just feel really disappointed that i got portrayed as something im not.

and also if i call the number on the paper, will they tell me exactly why i failed? like specifically?
thank you.

[retdetsgt]

You're only guessing that the drinking is why you failed. That probably isn't the case.

Departments are looking for a certain personality profile to be cops, you may not have fit that criteria and that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with you. That's why the letter said you shouldn't be discouraged from applying elsewhere.

I've worked with people who flunked the psych test at other departments, but passed ours. I know of at least one deputy sheriff that didn't get past my department's, but was okayed by the county shrink.

Keep trying.

[pafindr]

I doubt it was based on JUST one question I would think that its based on a few questions. The test could have shown that you make poor decisions, or are easily influenced by friends. No real way to tell because you only told about one question.

Just because you're not cut out for that particular department doesn't mean you'll get rejected by the next one.

[retdetsgt]

If you had failed the written part, it might have been because you apparently don't know how or don't care enough to use the shift key.

If you become a cop, you will be judged on your ability to write like an adult.

[GoDirectly2Jail]

You're only guessing that the drinking is why you failed. That probably isn't the case.

Departments are looking for a certain personality profile to be cops, you may not have fit that criteria and that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with you. That's why the letter said you shouldn't be discouraged from applying elsewhere.

I've worked with people who flunked the psych test at other departments, but passed ours. I know of at least one deputy sheriff that didn't get past my department's, but was okayed by the county shrink.

Keep trying.

This is the best advice you will receive on this topic. Often, departments have different psychological priorities from one another, and what may be a dealbreaker from one will be okay with another, and vice versa.

[GoDirectly2Jail]

If you had failed the written part, it might have been because you apparently don't know how or don't care enough to use the shift key.

If you become a cop, you will be judged on your ability to write like an adult.

Exactly. We harp on grammar here because this is a professional forum, and the general public that comes here expects a certain level of literacy from our membership.

Just as repetition enhances muscle memory for DTs and firearms, proper diction and grammar encourages the same.

A little effort is all we are asking for. After all, having to push the 'shift' key isn't the end of the world.

[Joeyd6]

NYC DOC has full access to the file and will see it. If NYPD DQ's, NYCDCO usually does the same and the reverse is true for liability reasons.

[retdetsgt]

But since being a cop on the street and being a jail guard are different jobs, you might meet the criteria for corrections. I worked a very short time in our city jail and I know I would have gone nuts if I had to continue there. It was nothing like working the street. And I think some people thrive in the corrections environment that would feel the same way if they were working as a street cop.

Why not apply and see what happens?

[Joey Ice]

so, i can still continue the process for NYC DOC? Would i have to put all the same info i put in the NYPD application? since they'd have access to it? the moderator just said i'd be wasting my time cause i'd be DQd based off the NYPD.

I just Got my B.A in Criminal Justice from John Jay College with a 3.7 GPA, I didn't realize grammer was such a issue on here, im sorry. All my life i've wanted to be a cop, and i feel like im more than capable of handling the duties of an NYPD officer. I used to be a Loss Prevention Manager at barns and noble, and as you know, they hire off duty cops for work, i forgot what that program was called, but nevertheless, some of those cops that i worked with (one was even talking to himself, as i watched on camera), let's just say, weren't the sharpest knifes in the draw. And in a way i guess, im shocked that they got hired and somehow i was denied.

I just feel like they are searching for a "perfect" candidate, and that doesn't exist. unless, you lie of course, or just "fib" the truth. sometimes less is truly more i guess. and its a valuable lesson i learned, cause on the New Jersey Police Exams, i will be a lot more careful on what information i give out.

[Citicop]

I just feel like they are searching for a "perfect" candidate, and that doesn't exist. unless, you lie of course, or just "fib" the truth. sometimes less is truly more i guess. and its a valuable lesson i learned, cause on the New Jersey Police Exams, i will be a lot more careful on what information i give out.

This makes it sound like you are planning to omit information or lie when asked certain questions. No one here will condone that behavior and you will find yourself permanently DQed when the two departments compare notes with each other.

-Citicop.

[Joeyd6]

so, i can still continue the process for NYC DOC? Would i have to put all the same info i put in the NYPD application? since they'd have access to it?

Yes you would.

the moderator just said i'd be wasting my time cause i'd be DQd based off the NYPD.

I did not say you would be wasting your time. What I am saying is that the NYPD and NYCDOC are related, use the same psychologist, same tests, and do not set the city up for liability. That being said, if one city psychologist says no, another one from teh same city will not say yes. If they do, they are liable for anything that goes wrong.

All my life i've wanted to be a cop, and i feel like im more than capable of handling the duties of an NYPD officer.

The difference between what we want and what we get equals life!

I used to be a Loss Prevention Manager at barns and noble, and as you know, they hire off duty cops for work, i forgot what that program was called,

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I just feel like they are searching for a "perfect" candidate, and that doesn't exist.

They are not and there is not one. Maybe though you over rated yourself or came across as thinking you were more qualified than you are or maybe you lied to thm about something or maybe what you consider a normal issues are not, etc....

unless, you lie of course, or just "fib" the truth. sometimes less is truly more i guess. and its a valuable lesson i learned, cause on the New Jersey Police Exams, i will be a lot more careful on what information i give out.

Don't start lying. Th NYPD runs your fingerprints and gives you a NYSID number. So when you apply in NJ, they will see that and one call to APD gets them a copy of all your paperwork. Thus you get DQ'd for lying or not disclosing. You obviously have something going on that is causing the problem.

[retdetsgt]

I just Got my B.A in Criminal Justice from John Jay College with a 3.7 GPA, I didn't realize grammer was such a issue on here, im sorry.

You didn't turn in papers with no capitalization, did you? You can't submit police reports that way either. It's just easier to read stuff written properly, don't you think?

Try other police agencies. As I just said, being a corrections officer is NOT like being a cop. I mean no disrespect for corrections people, I couldn't stand to be locked up with criminals for entire shifts. I admire the fact they can.

Being "bright" isn't the only requirement for the job. In fact, there was a time when police agencies were reluctant to hire people who scored too high on IQ tests for fear they would become bored with the job. There's no telling why you were rejected by the psych though. Again, they may well just have thought you would not be a good "fit" for NYPD. That doesn't mean that you aren't exactly what some other agency is looking for.

Every department has its own "culture". The general attitudes of the people on my department are certainly different from the peoples' on our sheriff's office and many of the smaller departments. That doesn't make any better than the other, only different. Policing in a small community requires different strengths and attributes from policing in a large city. I've been around some small town cops who wouldn't have lasted two weeks where I worked and that wasn't because we were better cops. I couldn't have handled many of the politics they had to deal with on a daily basis either. Nor would I liked to have given up the anonymity that being in a large department can give you. It takes different personalities to work for different departments. But don't get me wrong, size of the department isn't the only thing that contributes to different cultures among agencies, I just used that as one example.

In 1975, we hired about half a dozen NYPD cops that had been laid off. Trust me, they had a hell of a time adjusting to the culture of the W. coast, the city and the dept. All retired with pretty good careers behind them though.

And psychologists hired by departments are given the task of not just weeding out the crazies, but to select candidates they feel are the types of personalities the department is looking for. And sometimes, it's just the personal preference of the particular shrink. When I was an FTO, I could tell when we changed psychologists just by the personalities of the people I saw coming on.

Don't be discouraged because one dept. turned you down if you really want to enter the profession.

[Joey Ice]

Don't start lying. Th NYPD runs your fingerprints and gives you a NYSID number. So when you apply in NJ, they will see that and one call to APD gets them a copy of all your paperwork. Thus you get DQ'd for lying or not disclosing. You obviously have something going on that is causing the problem.[/QUOTE]

I was told by a current NYPD Detective (in my g/f side of the family) that the NJPD has nothing to do with the NYPD. and if you dont give them a reason to access your file, they wont. he also said, you could possibly even sue for defamation if they give out your information, same sorta things as when your fired by a job, the bosses are usually scared to specify that you were terminated and will just tell you the dates you worked from.

[retdetsgt]

he also said, you could possibly even sue for defamation if they give out your information, same sorta things as when your fired by a job, the bosses are usually scared to specify that you were terminated and will just tell you the dates you worked from.

I wouldn't count on it. And if you're prone to lie, you should look for another career. There's no place for that in law enforcement.

[txinvestigator1]

. he also said, you could possibly even sue for defamation if they give out your information, same sorta things as when your fired by a job, the bosses are usually scared to specify that you were terminated and will just tell you the dates you worked from.

Where do people get this crap? It is just not true. Oh, you could sue, but the TRUTH is a 100% defense.