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    OK...you tell me the diference between an " offense " and a crime ?

    Harassment is a crime. It's in the PA Crimes Code. Not the PA Offense Code. The offense ( violation) that you were charged with is the crime of harassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcsap View Post
    OK...you tell me the diference between an " offense " and a crime ?

    Harassment is a crime. It's in the PA Crimes Code. Not the PA Offense Code. The offense ( violation) that you were charged with is the crime of harassment.
    I don't know what the difference is. That's what he said, and he also specifically said that it is not an arrest. If you are sure that you are telling me complete facts here, then that would mean that he was not when he told me that.

    It doesn't matter, I'm putting it on the application and all necessary information that they ask for. I'm dropping the application off tomorrow. The department's only type of crime that is an automatic disqualifyer is a felony or midemeanor domestic violence.

    This is niether felony nor any misdemeanor, so I might have a chance. I'll see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcsap View Post
    OK...you tell me the diference between an " offense " and a crime ?

    Harassment is a crime. It's in the PA Crimes Code. Not the PA Offense Code. The offense ( violation) that you were charged with is the crime of harassment.

    There is no difference. An offense is a "violation or breaking of a rule". A crime is the same thing. Same difference, if you will :D

    Mcsap has given you the best possible answers, because as you heard he is an OFFICER IN PA.

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    We had a bank robbery the other day. They guy was located and charged with the offense of Robbery :rolleyes:
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcsap View Post
    We had a bank robbery the other day. They guy was located and charged with the offense of Robbery :rolleyes:
    I bet you were the lucky guy to catch the suspect?? ;)

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    Update

    OK, guys. They called me up on the phone this morning because they had a question about my application and sure enough, it was about the citation. Yes I was completely honest about it and told everything.

    They said that it didn't come up on the background check, but did come up in the police records search. It's not a felony or domestic violence, but it does show a tendency towards violence, so they said it's going to be under serious review.

    They are going to interview ALL my references about it and ask about my anger management, pretty much is what they said. Either one of 2 things will happen; (1) They determine that I am a hothead and I am violent; or (2) they're willing to let it go if they think I learned my lesson from the fine.

    They said that if I am disqualified, then I could re-apply in a few years. They said that the longer I wait to re apply (if I get disqualified here) then the more I can show them that it was a one time thing and I'm not prone to violence.

    A copy of the record that the police had, had this in the corner;

    [13]

    [ON VIEW ARREST]
    [CITATION / SUMMONS]

    [CITATION / SUMMONS] is checked and the officer confirmed that it is NOT an arrest, and it is not a felony, and like all non-felony crimes, it will be under review before a final decision is made instead of automatic disqualification. The officer was kind enough to write down the offense defined.

    So that's what this department says, I don't know if I lucked out in this or not, but they're giving me a chance here.

    Thank you everyone for being helpful to me.

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    Unless it was a Retail Theft or part of multiple other Misd/Felony Charges.... a Summary doesn't show on an NCIC based criminal check.


    But you are living proof that had you lied , they WOULD have found it and you would have been automatically been DQ'd. Never to be allowed to reapply.

    Regardless of what the officer wrote, the max penalty for a Summary Criminal Offense is $300 and or up to 90 days in jail. So if a person had done 90 days in jail , would that then convince you that there is some sort of " criminal arrest " to this type of charge ??
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    EDIT: This thread has been dead for over a year. Do not dig up old threads that have long discontinued discussion. -Mods
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